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Ellentuch 19-Apr-93 tyme Linda 25-Apr-93 ubangi Eric norlie 18-Apr-93 uberlord Jason Kirtland 17-Apr-93 uberman John Teggatz 08-Apr-93 umbra Joseph Nelson 05-Feb-88 universe Universe 25-Apr-93 unseen Sara Jane Levinson 19-Apr-93 us Not Them! 24-Apr-02 valis Daniel Selzer 25-Apr-93 varo Reed Clark 18-May-40 vector Kurt larson 29-Oct-03 vengence Justin Spectre 12-Apr-93 veronica Veronica LaBrea 19-Apr-93 viana Viana Muller 13-Feb-70 virmark Tracey Burroughs 09-Apr-83 -- more -- vision ZiZi Zhao 09-Apr-93 visionar Michael Ney 28-Jul-55 vitamine Vitamine, Inc. 20-Nov-88 vlad The Impaler 20-Mar-69 voidmstr Dennis Wilen 28-Apr-93 NetWannaBe voodoo Fred VoodooMaster Sob 06-Mar-74 vrx Michael Ney 04-Dec-20 vrxaus Michael Ney 18-Jun-78 wacker Jennifer 07-Mar-48 wagstaff Stephen DeJesus 14-Apr-93 wally Aveek Datta 27-Feb-58 wam William A. 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Draugo 18-Apr-93 Yipee Kai Yay! zoot Jim Morton 08-May-04 zotts David Kafrissen 17-Apr-93 (2:36am) [ Area: Babylon / Forum: Bandwidth ] (? for Menu) [Main Menu]: ?  MindVox [MAIN MENU] Commands About - Summary of Each Forum Finger - Get Info on Another User Bye - Leave the MindVox System Last - List Last 20 Callers Editorial - Read Overture Article Members - List Members of MindVox Expert - Turn Expert Menus On/Off Page USER - Write Message to a User Feedback - Mail to Support Staff Who - List Users Online Now -=/[ Other Areas of MindVox ]/=- Archives - Software and Text Files IRC - World-Wide Chat Network Chat - Multi-User Chat Lounge Info - MindVox Info File Area Forums - Enter the MindVox FORUMS Maelstrom - Multi-User Fantasy Game Help - Help with Using MindVox Mail - Send Electronic Mail Home - Your Private File Area Settings - Alter Your Configuration Games - Play Single-Player Games Usenet - Enter USENET NewsGroups Phantom Access Technologies, Inc. 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(TM) (2:38am) [ Area: Babylon / Forum: Bandwidth ] (? for Menu) [Main Menu]: fine ger zeitgist User: zeitgist (zeit geist) Calls: 360 Posts: 22 U/D: 0k uploaded 3433k downloaded Last on: 27-Apr-93 20:55 (65 new) Mail: 0 zeitgist new york city "There's no there, there" zeitgist@mindvox.phantom.com (2:38am) [ Area: Babylon / Forum: Bandwidth ] (? for Menu) [Main Menu]: irc                       *** Cannot open character table definition file!*** Connecting to port 6667 of server csa.bu.edu*** Welcome to the Internet Relay Network, unseen*** Your host is csa.bu.edu, running version 2.7.2g.ID*** global: File not found[1] 02:39 unseen* type /help for help *** If you have not already done so, please read the new user information with +/HELP NEWUSER*** This server was created Fri Feb 26 1993 at 19:25:03 EST *** There are 1344 users and 539 invisible on 152 servers *** 60 users have connection to the twilight zone *** There are 1 yet unknown connections *** There are 535 channels. *** I have 32 clients and 1 servers MOTD - csa.bu.edu Message of the Day -  MOTD - This is the BU *Client* server. 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Make of that what you will. Or maybe Sassy is Christina, who emails from here. Or it could be an intern, browsing. It's all very mysterious. Sassy is cool because it is funny. And smart and idiosyncratic and personal. It has a distinctive voice and obnoxious opinions at a time when many magazines sound all alike (if Gerber mushed oats could write...). We try to show girls it's cool to be a girl. And don't be too nice and don't worry too much about being liked. -- more -- That's it. (2:41am) [ Area: Babylon / Forum: Bandwidth ] (? for Menu) [Main Menu]: ?  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Smith) 328: Re: me-TV by sassy (Sassy Magazine) 329: Re: me-TV by deckard (Mike Gwertzman) 330: Re: me-TV by newt (Dana Bettinger) 331: Re: me-TV by scoundrl (Renal Boy) 332: Re: me-TV by deckard (Mike Gwertzman) -- more -- 333: Re: me-TV by reive (Racheline Maltese) 334: Re: me-TV by sherman (Lloyd Hopkins) 335: Re: me-TV by hayden (Hugh Appet) 336: Re: me-TV by sassy (Sassy Magazine) 337: Re: me-TV by deckard (Mike Gwertzman) 338: Re: me-TV by sherman (Lloyd Hopkins) 339: ok, ok by sassy (Sassy Magazine) 340: Re: ok, ok by deckard (Mike Gwertzman) 341: 4/28 is "Take Our Daughters to Work by magoo (Kevin M. McGrath) 342: Re: 4/28 is "Take Our Daughters to W by hotblack (Dana Watanabe) [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: 1+ 64+ Post: 164 of 342 Subject: why so few chix? From: sassy (Sassy Magazine) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 93 19:25:36 EST In-Reply-To: <0qJ4yB5w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> On Echo, an on-line service here in NYC, there are two women-oriented forums. One's for topics of interest to chix, (hope that word don't offend nobody) and one is for women ONLY to talk about whatever. Men are locked out, I believe. Don't know how. Oh geez, am i inviting all kinds of panty-check humor from the guys who are the majority of of folks here? --margie [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 165 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: reive (Racheline Maltese) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 93 19:40:16 EST In-Reply-To: Actually awhile ago there was discussion about making this forum a women only space-- it's somewhere in all the old messages if you'd care to bother, but seeing as only, or mostly guys seem to post on here we'd probably loose most of the action on this forum if that were instituted. -reive ******************************* * reive * * reive@mindvox.phantom.com * * zs840c@gwuvm.gwu.edu * ******************************* [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 166 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: bwp (Jane Doe) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 93 22:35:32 EST In-Reply-To: As soon as I clued in that the only reason for the existence of this forum is to flush the females out of the bushes, so they can be mercilessly hassled and preyed upon by these skanking sexless lamers, I gave up. Even if they did make this a women-only space, the sysadmins could still read the messages, and they're all male, and you know how men always stick together. -3j just a wacky, zany babe [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 167 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: hayden (Hugh Appet) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 01:00:56 EST In-Reply-To: Janes, (Arnold Schwazennger rendition of your name). You seem to be one of the few flushable women on this board. But c'mon, why do you act like men or rather us, was it skanking?, sexless lamers want to be the dominant species online? Git ur amazon sisters to form a circle and come on out. There are plenty of places women post and almost thrive on the crass commercial services. Haydens [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 168 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: bwp (Jane Doe) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 07:21:32 EST hayden (Hugh Appet) writes: > few flushable women on this board. But c'mon, why do you act like men or > rather us, was it skanking?, sexless lamers want to be the dominant > species online? It took a few minutes trying to parse that sentence. At first, I thought you were asking why I act like men. And with Scoundrl calling me Butch in BwF, I've had quite enough of those insults, thank you. I may be mean and tough, but mean and tough in a nurturing, caring way. So get your skanking lameness out of my face! erm...sorry, thought I was talking to Scoundrl again... > Git ur amazon sisters to form a circle and come on out. There are plenty > of places women post and almost thrive on the crass commercial services. Lissen, darlin', da sistas don't form no circle for no *man*. We're mad, bad, and dangerous to know. Phear us. -- more (54%) -- And, finally to answer your question, I don't have to act like men *want* to be the dominant species online, they already dominate this space. Other areas in thypherspaZe aren't quite so chromosomally-advantaged, but this one is. However, for reasons entirely personal and private, I happen to enjoy hanging with testosterone-fueled punks. It's wacky and zany, but it's true. Da sistas aren't down with it, and they've got a point, and sometimes I geel guilty, like I ought to go on and lop off one breast like the rest of them, but I keep putting it off. But then I also keep putting off getting another ear pierce, so go figure. Hayden, your point is well-taken, but it's coming from one who has the luxury of asking such questions. As the great poet-philosopher said in _Total Recall_, "c'mon, don't boolshit me." -3j I just feel so disempowered [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 169 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: heather (Heather Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 09:46:16 EST In-Reply-To: I'd vote that this is made women only. I've been on mindvox for almost 3 months or 4 and like it here a lot, I don't post most of the time because I like to read the forums and use this mostly for mail to my friends. I think it would be cool to have a place to say something that is a opinion without having a lot of geeky guys get all upset when it wasn't to them personally that you said star trek is boring or something like that. There are only like 50 other forums they can argue about it on here, why not 1 where we dont need to hear it. just my opinion if its unpopular I can live with it. [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 170 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: simonm (Simon Moon) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 11:12:24 EST In-Reply-To: Well, if y'all want this phorum to be only posted to by women, I'm more than haapy to restrain myself in the future; just make that clear. Or do you want non-women-type-folk to not be able to read it either? Just askin'. - Simon [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 171 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: hotblack (Dana Watanabe) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 11:28:49 EST In-Reply-To: Feerst off i think men reading womens posts would put the idea to bunk because that way they cant go around saying that simon dude is such an asshole hes always asking to hot chat me or some such thing Secoondly YOU may restrain yourself, but there are too many weenies somewhere who wont MOST IMPORTANTLY where can you check for gender status? i mean sheeeit, i got called lady watanabe after talking about getting my dick pierced and when this board first started off a LOT -- more (72%) -- more people thought it was female and if nothing else just so i dont have to get a fake account just to post here it wouldnt work i really wish it could mainly cuz id like to rag on some of the women in here in a mens only forum :) [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 172 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: bwp (Jane Doe) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 14:29:28 EST In-Reply-To: I would also vote to have this forum locked down for women only. Read only-write only, no males, whether they call themselves female names or not pbbbbbth. But yeah, what dana said, how do you gendercheck in thypherspaZe? We'd never really be *sure*... -3j [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 173 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: hotblack (Dana Watanabe) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 14:53:20 EST In-Reply-To: well you could have everyone take pictures of their genitalia and scan it adn send it in and you knwo that anyone who does no matter what the picture is is probably male and go by that oh yeah and 3jane i still have as yet to take/scan that pic for ya :)( [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 174 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: simonm (Simon Moon) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 16:49:41 EST In-Reply-To: Or y'all can just go by guesswork, and take everyone who's prolly female. If you accidently pick up a male or two, and the manage to fool you into thinking that they're women, even after repeated posts, I figure they're woman enuf. Afterall, it seems like, in cspace, its the female identity that counts, not the female genetalia. Or is this just another example of fucked-up male thinking? - Simon [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 175 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 17:12:56 EST In-Reply-To: NOOOOO!!!! NO NO NO NOOO! I was lead to believe, hopefully NOT incorrectly, that this was a TOLERANT OPEN-MINDED ETC place.... locking the men outta this place because their genetalia is different than ours will a) not accomplish much at all b) severely cut down the number of responses c) sorta undermine that wacky zany "tolerant" idea d) really annoy me (like you care, but...) besides, the guyz are right...we'd never know. *whoosh* *sigh* -- more (71%) -- sorry, that really made me kinda mad...I don't think that we should ever make this women-only because the name of the phorum happens to have "women" in it... I'd be really pissed if I were locked out of a place called "men....." newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 176 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: bwp (Jane Doe) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 18:14:14 EST newt (Dana Bettinger) writes: > I'd be really pissed if I were locked out of a place called "men....." But newtt, we have been all our lives, only they never bother to post a sign saying "men...", they just make it so that we can't be a part of it. At least we would be up front about it. But you're right, in here it would never work, because this is a male-dominated place, and lots of girls would not want to be caught associating with the rebellious underclass [mutter mutter], and WE CAN'T PISS MASSAH OFF, CAN WE?!# -3j! [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 177 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: thug (Murdering Thug) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 19:30:26 EST hotblack (Dana Watanabe) writes: > well you could have everyone take pictures of their genitalia and > scan it adn send it in > and you knwo that anyone who does > no matter what the picture is > is probably male and go by that > > oh yeah > and 3jane i still have as yet to take/scan that pic for ya :)( > Nope, that wouldn't work. Any guy can open up an issue of Hustler and scan in his favorite genetals and upload them to prove that he's a "female". How about mailing in a used tampon? I guess that would be proof enough. What do you think? -- more (95%) -- Thug [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 178 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: simonm (Simon Moon) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 20:17:36 EST In-Reply-To: bwp (Jane Doe) writes: > But newtt, we have been all our lives, only they never bother to post a > sign saying "men...", they just make it so that we can't be a part of it. > At least we would be up front about it. Not that women aren't discriminated against, but it's not like all of Vox is controlled by men, as you would know, O Bandwidth Queen. I think it has more to do with internalized feelings than with outright exclusion; in fact I think most vox boys -- er, men -- are generally supportive of women when they post (correct me if I'm wrong). They may not be inviting, but they don't seem particularly willing to enforce gender aprtheid (with a few exceptions). All I'm trying to say is that it's not as simple as "the male voxers control everything". I thas a lot to do with how both men and women are -- more (84%) -- raised to view social interaction. Or am I just a typical male, blindly unnoticing the descrimination that occurs in front of my very (virtual) eyes? - Simon [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 179 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: toxic (Toxic Avenger) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 20:28:40 EST bwp (Jane Doe) writes: > newt (Dana Bettinger) writes: > > > I'd be really pissed if I were locked out of a place called "men....." > > But newtt, we have been all our lives, only they never bother to post a > sign saying "men...", they just make it so that we can't be a part of it. > At least we would be up front about it. Bullshit! 3j, usually I believe what you type, but when I saw that this came out of your mouth, I threw a piece of pimento loaf on my screen. Please cite and example. I have NEVER seen a place that expressly forbit women from entering (except possibly for a mens room, but that rule gets broken far more often that does the reverse (men entering the ladies room)) There are more than a few places where they may not want to be (strip club) but -- more (91%) -- I rather not see the chippendales dancers. etc. etc. etc. -Tox [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 180 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: bwp (Jane Doe) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 21:59:27 EST In-Reply-To: You want an example of a place that excludes women? Oy vey... The White House. Bill Clinton promised us an administration that "looks like America," and we got one. Women and minorities in the lower positions, but the top controlled by white males. Apple Computer. Every now and then they put a woman in some bean-counting position, like Comptroller, but look at the heads of all the major divisions. Microsoft, IBM, Compaq, Dell, etc etc. If women really are not being excluded, where's the evidence? Why is an "all-woman" company still worthy of cute feature stories in the Sunday paper? To state that women aren't still kept down because men don't want to go to Chippendales is the most arrogant form of pretense. It's that kind of reducing the whole question to a superficial sexual level that makes men -- more (58%) -- feel free to whisper that an all-woman company is "a bunch of dykes" and makes women afraid to seek out help from one another for fear of being spoken about that way. I'm against quotas, against special set-asides, against any type of treatment that singles out women to receive jobs or promotions they haven't earned. But anyone who believes that we can relax, that the fight is over and justice has been served, is hereby invited to walk with me down W. 57th St., so we can visit the board rooms of all the networks and check out the pictures of the women in control of the mass media in this country. I dunno, what reason do I have to think thypherspaZe will be any different? -3j [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 181 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: reive (Racheline Maltese) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 22:18:13 EST In-Reply-To: I don't think the issue is about Vox so much as the on-line world in general. This place doesn't tend to be exclusionary, nor have I ever been harrassed by any guy on here because I was female (although certainly no one ever hesitated when I said something way out of line). In general though women have to deal with a lot of shit on bbs's and other computer-type things. It's amazing to go to a 2600 meeting or something and be one of the only girls there (or usually _the_ only girl) It's not that that's intimidating, but it's annoying. It's annoying to be in situations like that and ask questions, 'cause you don't understand something and have people ignore you 'cause you're just so-and-so's girlfriend. Not everybody does it, and it doesn't ahppen all the time, but it pisses me off. It's stuff like that that make women say, maybe we should have a women-only space on vox. Personally I don't think we should. First, it's not needed here, and two, if we hide from the guys, things aren't gonna get any better. (also there's that amusing gender test issue). The point is, (I think there was one somewhere) whether the men/boys think so or not women in cyberspace aren't always made to feel -- more (52%) -- comfortable. Granted some of that is in our own heads, 'cause of various things in our own lives, some of it comes from just being out-numbered and some of it comes from hostility, objectification and all the other nicities some people treat us too. Mind you, in the end it really doesn't matter, I deal with the on-line assholes the same way I deal with the rl ones-- and it's usually not very friendly. I just wish people would stop assuming that women on-line either don't have a clue or aren't "serious about technology. I don't understand a lot of the real techy stuff a lot of you people or my rl friends talk about, so I ask questions. That doesn't make me clueless, it makes me smart, and curious. I think frequently a lot of women don't want to ask for help or information 'cause they are afraid of being called a lamer (or whatever the word is this week) or being seen as some sort of net-bimbo. You all have to remind me to use paragraphs, this stuff is getting difficult to read. -reive ******************************* * reive * * reive@mindvox.phantom.com * * zs840c@gwuvm.gwu.edu * ******************************* -- more (98%) -- [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 182 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: kieran (Aaron Dickey) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 00:47:24 EST bwp (Jane Doe) writes: > I would also vote to have this forum locked down for women only. Read > only-write only, no males, whether they call themselves female names or > not pbbbbbth. But yeah, what dana said, how do you gendercheck in > thypherspaZe? We'd never really be *sure*... Exactly. Until/unless Vox starts using Voice ID for access, I say everything should stay open to everyone. The last thing this place needs is a bunch of little giggling cliques. [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 183 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: kieran (Aaron Dickey) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 00:50:22 EST thug (Murdering Thug) writes: > How about mailing in a used tampon? I guess that would be proof enough. > What do you think? What, don't you have a mother? [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 184 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: drow (Doug Rau) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 00:52:53 EST In-Reply-To: thug (Murdering Thug) writes: > How about mailing in a used tampon? I guess that would be proof enough. > What do you think? no good thug...we all know you're really a 40-something year old woman, remember? hey, howabout a 'menzoberranzan' forum where only dark elves are admitted? [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 185 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: kieran (Aaron Dickey) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 00:53:02 EST In-Reply-To: Walking along W 57th won't cut it if you care to visit ABC or NBC, though I'm sure they'd be more than happy to see you at Potamkin Cadillac. (Of course, only CBS's *studios* are there anyway..."Black Rock" is blocks away.) And yeah, women suffer, tough shit. Care to explain why all-female schools are allowed to exist, while all-male schools are sexist and Unconstitutional? And what about the overweight? What about the ugly? Those two groups suffer a hell of a lot more than women in general. We're all bigots, and we ALL suffer. Life's tough, ain't it? --Kieran [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 186 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: hotblack (Dana Watanabe) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 01:13:06 EST kieran (Aaron Dickey) writes: > The last thing this place needs > is a bunch of little giggling cliques. > if youre being sarcastic, hah! if not fuck you dont evne bother to go off on how tough life is wr whaatever shit you want to blow out your your ass so if i took a shotgun to your head, then oh well, life sucks that what happens shit i mean sure blacks are treated as slaves adn shit thats tuff so why dont they stay that way? -- more (75%) -- and shit women dont deserve the right to vote its all just cuz life sucks i hate it when i get this pissed so if that was your only goal congratulations you live in new york right? [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 187 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: reive (Racheline Maltese) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 01:22:34 EST In-Reply-To: About all girls schools: I went to one for 10 years (not my idea) and it sucked. Overall a really bad idea, and I don't think they should exist, the rational for their existence though is this: In coed schools studies have shown boys get called on more, are encouraged in technical disciplines more, etc.. i.e. girls don't get a fair shake-- this is probably true, but isolating girls isn't gonna solve it. There is an association of American girls-schools that will tell you that girls who attend them are happier, healthier people (I wrote an article on these folks once).... and despite what their data says, I don't quite believe them (after all this is not independant researcher data). Maybe girls in single-sex schools do get a better academic chance. Socially though, I think it's a terrible idea. Especially if you put a kid in an all-girls school since she's really young. Talk about not knowing how to deal with guys normally. Try to remember though, in a lot of countries almost no schools are co-ed, because they feel having students of both genders in a class room would cause -- more (64%) -- distractions from learning (I take it they've never heard of homosexuality). I think this is pretty lame too (but me ranting about people and their fears of teens having sex will just have to wait for another post on another forum). Oh, and by the way I've never met anyone who considered all male school sexist, but that may jst be because most people I grew up with went to single sex schools. Argh, no paragraphs again..... -reive ******************************* * reive * * reive@mindvox.phantom.com * * zs840c@gwuvm.gwu.edu * ******************************* [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 188 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: falconer (Steve Copold) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 10:14:50 EST reive (Racheline Maltese) writes: > Oh, and by the way I've never met anyone > who considered all male school sexist..... Oh really! Then can you tell me what the BFD was about West Point, Annapolis, The Air Force Academy, and V.M.I.? -Falconer [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 189 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: hotblack (Dana Watanabe) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 12:21:29 EST In-Reply-To: there is a differnece between singel sex high schools and lower and single sex colleges AND single sex military instituions big differnece there i dont know anyone who reallyt carteas about single sex high schools except maybe the people who go to them and i know lots of girls happy to have gone to a all girl school ou just need to a haave an all guy school near by wiht decent guys in college its a lot different -- more (37%) -- i think that depnding on what you want to do with your life female only colleges are stupid i mean sure if youre going to become a housewife then fine, or do something in women's studies or do something academic but the way society works, you need to make connections with other people something hard to do when the business or whatever else field is male dominated and all your connections are female but of course, saying that something should work that way is really stupid too as far as military institutions go... well i guess if you go from the stand point that women shouldnt be in the military then sure.. women should be in places like West Point but if you want women in the military or are allowing women in the military you need to give them a fair shot -- more (80%) -- and for some reason i would bet West Point graduates get farther in the military than those who arent of course this could go on into my personal stink on how women should have to be in the selective service before they get into the military or its schools but thats another issue [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 190 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: alibaba (Nick Mordanzo) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 13:34:44 EST In-Reply-To: Not to burst any bubbles but every system I've ever seen has those women only and men only sections. Coimpuserve, Delphi, America Online, The Well even, all of them. Maybe its because the majority if poeople wnat them, I'm not fixing my typos today either, $%$%$%$%$%$%$% ($) Ali Baba ($) %$%$%$%$%$%$%$ [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 191 of 342 Subject: all girls schools From: thug (Murdering Thug) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 13:50:54 EST In-Reply-To: You know what I really like about all girls schools, including private and religous ones? Well, these girls don't get much contact with guys for like four years in high school, and then when they go to college in their freshman year, they wind up crazy drunk at the first party they go to and give away their virginity to the first guy they meet. Hey, I've seen it... This kind of thing doesn't happen with girls who have gone to coed and public schools because they are much wiser as to the ways of men, life, etc.. So what's the point of parents sending away their precious little girl away to an all girls high school for four years, when all it does is make them horny as hell, and they wind up screwing the first thing they see in college? You can't hide sex from people, and then hope they won't want to do it, you have to be open about it, and educate and inform, instead of trying to repress these girls and hide them away from where they might -- more (91%) -- actually interact with males long enough to see that we're basically scum. Thug [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 192 of 342 Subject: Re: all girls schools From: hotblack (Dana Watanabe) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 14:10:41 EST In-Reply-To: again i say it depends on the school but i do agree that education not misinformation is the answer to all things speakign of misinforrmation im going to quote someone quoting someoen quoting some magazine im assuming USA today but you neve know it said that asking women whterther they would rather see a guy dance naked or doing the dishes 61% said they woudl want him to do the dishes 24% would go for the naked dancing dude does this sound right? and what woudl the women on Vox think? -- more (83%) -- and men woudl you rather see a woman dance naked or see a woman hacking out some funky ass virtual reality program? [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 193 of 342 Subject: Re: all girls schools From: simonm (Simon Moon) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 19:38:52 EST In-Reply-To: I'd rather see a naked man doing the dishes, and a naked women programming. Or vice versa. Of course. - Simon [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 194 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: simonm (Simon Moon) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 19:40:06 EST kieran (Aaron Dickey) writes: > The last thing this place needs > is a bunch of little giggling cliques. Kieran, try checking out BwF. No, but really: if that was supposed to be a reference to the giggling women on Vox, I'm afraid you've just been put on the list for reeducation aftewr the revolution. > And yeah, women suffer, tough shit. Care to explain why all-female > schools are allowed to exist, while all-male schools are sexist and > Unconstitutional? And what about the overweight? What about the ugly? > Those two groups suffer a hell of a lot more than women in general. We're > all bigots, and we ALL suffer. Life's tough, ain't it? Duh! All-male schools are not unconstitutional, except in cases like West -- more (45%) -- Point, where women can not get an equal education somewhere else. OK, you're right. Lots of people suffer, and it's pretty worthless to debate who suffers most. But that's not an excuse for complacency. I think the point is not so much a female-only space, as a space where women (and men, damnit) can be without seeing bullshit like the above. I used to think Vox as a whole was a place like that. Debate's all fine and swell, but it's important to have a space without debate. For example, I was over at some friends' house last night, making dinner, when one of them suddenly flipped out and started screaming about unconscious sexist oppression. I had to leave. Of course, she's got a point, but the thing is to be able to have that discussion in a sensible way, and not have it invade your entire life. In other words... perhaps there should be a [Gender-Debate] forum for discussions of feminism, and whatever Kieran calls his point of view. But there should also be a place where people refrain from that kind of debate. - Simon [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 195 of 342 Subject: naahah.... From: hotblack (Dana Watanabe) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 20:40:42 EST you should debate everythign everywheree well not really i just think there needs to be a line between emotional debateing/yelling/screeming/ whateveriring and having rational discussions and some people handle that more than others not better more i personally love to be stupid and emotional adn deny all concepts of reality just for the sake of arguin or calmy talking about htings but aint no point in preaching to the converted about why they shoudl ya knopw? and besides nothig on vox is posted in the wrong area cuz there really isnt a right area -- more (89%) -- i mean shit, hacking ethics adn the brownies makes sense to me [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 196 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: toxic (Toxic Avenger) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 20:41:47 EST simonm (Simon Moon) writes: > Duh! All-male schools are not unconstitutional, except in cases like West > Point, where women can not get an equal education somewhere else. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That statement sounds an awful lot like the "seperate but equal" clause of Plessy v. Fergesun (something every high schooler should learn) which is obviously unconstitutional. Saying "well, she can get the same education somewhere else" just doesn't cut it. Actually, it had nothing to do with the fact that it was a military school, It had to do with the fact it was a public (state or federal) college. The precident set by the case says that male -only public colleges can not exist. Female-only publkic schools are fine by this ruling, as are male-only private schools. > I think the point is not so much a female-only space, as a space where -- more (53%) -- > women (and men, damnit) can be without seeing bullshit like the above. > I used to think Vox as a whole was a place like that. I see this as a fourm to discuss women's issues (especially as they have to deal with cyberspace) I don't see a need to lock men out of that, do you? I took a women's studies class last quarter, and learned quite a bit that I would never have been exposed to had it not been offered to males (as some other schools women's studies programs are) If the females on 'vox want a place where only they can congregate, thats fine, if you provide a MEN'S one as welland keep something liek this to discuss gender issues, that is oben to both. -Tox BWP: point taken about corporate america, but only to the extent that it is de facto discrimination (discrimination that is not through legislation and fact) there is nothing that says a woman couldn't head Apple, or the white house for that matter (look at Nancy Reagan) [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 197 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: hayden (Hugh Appet) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 23:05:13 EST bwp (Jane Doe) writes: > I would also vote to have this forum locked down for women only. Read > only-write only, no males, whether they call themselves female names or > not pbbbbbth. But yeah, what dana said, how do you gendercheck in > thypherspaZe? We'd never really be *sure*... > > -3j You know, once, loooong ago, a bunch of us left CB on CIS for a place called People Link after Time did an article on CSex which brought an invasion of kids w/Commodores and 12" aparatuses. Happily a large inserted line: a large percentage of the emigres from CIS percentage of them were women or at least feminine personalities. One of them, well, that's another story. The point is we had a fun 'community' while Plink lasted and it would not have been much fun if it had been all guys. I have been thinking about it and my major problem w/there being a women -- more (85%) -- only forum is that it might be the only place they ever post the way it is working out here. Less ur willing to carry the whole burden urself. Hayden [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 198 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: hotblack (Dana Watanabe) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 00:53:24 EST In-Reply-To: well a black amn can become president too sure yeah right dont say it cant happen in the constitution but i didnt know that about public schools not being able to be all male but hey can be all female thtas bunk but i still want women to sign up for selective service OR more preferably for me not to ahve to of course i also think women should have salaries equivalent to males not 68 cents to the dollar -- more (96%) -- [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 199 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: reive (Racheline Maltese) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 01:14:32 EST In-Reply-To: Actually there are only 2 all-girls public schools in the country from what I was told by the girls school assosciation. And both of them are special schools for girls who are pregnant or in trouble with the law or something (yes, the woman assosciated these two things on the phone). About women in the draft: did you know that if you're female and you fill out a draft registration card and send it in you'll get a letter back saying how you could get in all sorts of legal trouble for this. They make you sign something saying you recognize you are not eligible for the draft and will not continue to try to break these laws. Pretty fucked up if you ask me. ******************************* * reive * * reive@mindvox.phantom.com * * zs840c@gwuvm.gwu.edu * ******************************* -- more (97%) -- [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 200 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: kieran (Aaron Dickey) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 01:51:44 EST hotblack (Dana Watanabe) writes: > shit i mean sure blacks are treated as slaves adn > shit thats tuff so why dont they stay that way? > and shit women dont deserve the right to vote Call me back when you're ready to handle debate in a LOGICAL manner, d00d > > its all just cuz life sucks > i hate it when i get this pissed > so if that was your only goal > congratulations > you live in new york right? -- more (82%) -- It wasnt my goal at all but i'm happy to have obliged and yes, i live in New York at least part of the year [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 201 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: kieran (Aaron Dickey) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 01:55:24 EST reive (Racheline Maltese) writes: > chance. Socially though, I think it's a terrible idea. Especially if > you put a kid in an all-girls school since she's really young. Talk > about not knowing how to deal with guys normally. I'm not so sure this is a bad thing. Throughout my life, the only girls/women who have been willing to enter into any sort of relationship with me are those who attended all-girl schools. Maybe "normal" as it's currently defined needs a major change. > another post on another forum). Oh, and by the way I've never met anyone > who considered all male school sexist, but that may jst be because most > people I grew up with went to single sex schools. Well, I was just pissed because a day or so ago, the same issue of USA Today had two separate articles, one talking about how wonderful all-girl -- more (80%) -- colleges are, and another chronicaling this poor girl who isn't being allowed to enter The Citadel because she's female, and how sexist that is. Let's make up our minds here, America. Enough with the double-standards. --Kieran [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 202 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: kieran (Aaron Dickey) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 02:13:05 EST alibaba (Nick Mordanzo) writes: > Not to burst any bubbles but every system I've ever seen has > those women only and men only sections. Coimpuserve, Delphi, > America Online, The Well even, all of them. I don't know about the Well (never used it), but AOL doesn't have any forums that are closed to certain groups based on gender or anything else. They have sections devoted to male and female issues, yes, but anyone can participate in them. As for CompuServe and Delphi, the few areas that are "restricted" only require you to email a note saying you're a member of the group you want to join, so in reality they're just as open as anywhere else. Besides, the closed "custom forums" on Delphi make money or are charged based on how many people use it and how often, so they'll take just about anyone just to keep their rates low. -- more (96%) -- --Kieran [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 203 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: kieran (Aaron Dickey) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 02:17:10 EST simonm (Simon Moon) writes: > No, but really: if that was supposed to be a reference to the giggling > women on Vox, I'm afraid you've just been put on the list for reeducation > aftewr the revolution. That's NOT what I meant; if there were a closed all-male forum here, it too would be filled with a clique that would deal almost entirely in gossip. Don't infer things that aren't there. > Duh! All-male schools are not unconstitutional, except in cases like West > Point, where women can not get an equal education somewhere else. Well, I'm not arguing over things like West Point, even though the reason they were all-male is quite obvious: WOMEN AREN'T ALLOWED IN COMBAT. Thus, why waste money training them? > OK, you're right. Lots of people suffer, and it's pretty worthless to -- more (36%) -- > debate who suffers most. But that's not an excuse for complacency. I think it is; it's the converse of the old "When the came for the Jews, I said nothing" argument. They "come" for people like me every single day, and everyone says nothing. Thus, I'm not too inclined to go out of my way to fight whatever battle is currently in vogue amongst the PCers. > I think the point is not so much a female-only space, as a space where > women (and men, damnit) can be without seeing bullshit like the above. > I used to think Vox as a whole was a place like that. Wow, you disagree with one guy's opinion, and thus all of Vox has a major problem? Chill out. And as for the above being, IYHO, "bullshit", that's just your opinion, and I know for a fact that Patrick doesn't take kindly to proposals of censorship in ANY form. > Debate's all fine and swell, but it's important to have a space without > debate. For example, I was over at some friends' house last night, making > dinner, when one of them suddenly flipped out and started screaming about > unconscious sexist oppression. I had to leave. Of course, she's got a > point, but the thing is to be able to have that discussion in a sensible > way, and not have it invade your entire life. -- more (81%) -- Yeah, well, perhaps this argument would have a little more weight to it if there were ever any activity in this forum BESIDES when we're debating. I'm sorry your friend flipped out and ruined your dinner, but people on Vox can just do what you did...walk away or just hit the "n" key and forget about any post you don't like. > discussions of feminism, and whatever Kieran calls his point of view. But I call it "moderate", actually. --Kieran [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 204 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 02:41:24 EST In-Reply-To: first of all, WHY are we ragging on kieran again? (It kinda looks like we're back to the old idea of "you don't have to like it, you just have to tolerate it fora little while...?) reive: PARAGRAPHS!!! :) newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 205 of 342 Subject: Living in the violent spaces... From: falconer (Steve Copold) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 09:35:20 EST In-Reply-To: Perhaps it's just the fact that I'm the only one on here that's seen the high side of 40, but the perspective you choose to view an issue like sexism from, more often than not, depends on your own ability to sort through history rather than the raw facts of the current social environment. Let me state right up front that I don't believe for a moment that women get a fair shake as things stand today. I also believe, however, that it will not change significantly in any of our lifetimes. I rant and rave about this and that, and so does Kieran and almost everyone else that hangs in here...The key difference (other than its virtual nature) between Vox and the rest of the world is the mean IQ around here. We are all capable of reason. I hate to break the news to you, but it's my experience that most of the rest of the world's population is not. Additionally, we all carry lots of baggage and tend to not have a very deep understanding of its contents. I grew up in very violent spaces...In fact, from 12 to 28 I lived almost -- more (23%) -- exclusively in violent spaces. It has altered my views of the world. It's not something I deliberately chose to have. It's simply the hand I managed to draw and I work everyday to live with it and make the very best of it that I can. To deny, however, that it alters my view of the world (and for our specific discussion, my view of women) is sheer folly. It was also for the most part, a world where women were viewed to a large extent as chattel. I fully realize what an ugly concept that is, but nonetheless it is a concept I coexisted with for many years. The bottom line is that I have expectations for women that are signifcantly different than for men. They change constantly, but they also change very slowly. I have two daughters. I want them to have equal opportunities with the men with whom they'll have to compete all their lives. I know that will not happen. Thus, I've done my best to alter the game. I can't change the rules overnight, but I can change the players that I've had the chance to raise. And, I suppose by many standards they're not very "sweet" girls. They're smart, they're educated not in the simple secular way, but in the school of hard knocks as well. They are agressive, they can be absolutely ruthless and they are not merely survivors, but competitors with the skills they need to win in any environment life throws at them. -- more (49%) -- It would be easy to say, "I'm tired of trying to change the world." I think most people do get tired of it because you never live long enough to see the results. Getting tired, however, doesn't mean you should roll over like some whipped dog and urinate on yourself in despair. If you have the depth of your convictions, it means you'll get back up dust yourself off and take another swing at things. No one ever said life was all fun! An example: I have a friend that happens to be female. A few years back I decided that I had done my bit as the responsible father and that it was now okay for me to begin doin' insane things on motorcycles again. My friend took an interest and she also bought a bike. Now these were very fast bikes...and we regularly rode them at speeds hovering around 115 to 130 miles an hour. (We just happen to live in a place where we can get away with that sort of behavior.) She became expert at this sort of thing and before long was regularly waxing the teenaged "squids" that would accompany us on these little cafe racing sessions...And, then something happened...I bought a couple of 2-stroke dirtbikes (off-road motorcycles) and encouraged my friend to learn to ride them. One afternoon we took them out and as we were riding along I managed to take her line in an attempt to get to a canal bank before she did. We had a fairly spectacular crash. The next thing I knew she was lying on the ground with the bike on top of her and I was sitting on mine grateful that the engine had not died. It -- more (77%) -- just never occurred to me that she might have been injured or in shock, both of which turned out to be the case. This was a person that I had become convinced had learned to live in the "violent spaces" and could cope with this sort of thing...I was wrong. And, not in the result of the wreck itself, but in how it ultimately affected her view of the activity itself.....NOW, BEFORE YOU START YELLING AT ME.....I don't believe this had anything to do with gender, but with personal history. This person did not really understand the possible outcomes involved with hanging in the violent spaces until that very moment...Then, it arrived with startling clarity. Now, I do believe, for better or worse, that more men are raised with the skills and the edges required to survive in the truly hostile environments than are women. That can be changed. But, be very careful...You may just get what you ask for. If want to hold the gun, then be prepared (And, I do mean this figuratively.) to stare down the muzzle when it's someone else's turn at the trigger..."Most" people will pull it and never even blink! -Falconer [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 206 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: chemist (The Chemist) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 21:10:57 EST kieran (Aaron Dickey) writes: > reive (Racheline Maltese) writes: > > > chance. Socially though, I think it's a terrible idea. Especially if > > you put a kid in an all-girls school since she's really young. Talk > > about not knowing how to deal with guys normally. > > I'm not so sure this is a bad thing. Throughout my life, the only > girls/women who have been willing to enter into any sort of relationship > with me are those who attended all-girl schools. Maybe "normal" as it's > currently defined needs a major change. Dude, maybe you just need to invest in a copy of "how to pick up girls" its around .50 at any good used book store and whatever you look like, it can't be any stupidier looking then the guy who wrote it :) -- more (96%) -- -tC [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 207 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: chemist (The Chemist) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 21:12:46 EST kieran (Aaron Dickey) writes: > alibaba (Nick Mordanzo) writes: > > > Not to burst any bubbles but every system I've ever seen has > > those women only and men only sections. Coimpuserve, Delphi, > > America Online, The Well even, all of them. > > I don't know about the Well (never used it), but AOL doesn't have any > forums that are closed to certain groups based on gender or anything else. > They have sections devoted to male and female issues, yes, but anyone can > participate in them. The Well has a closed Women's forum, it made people get angry so they added a closed men's forum too. Then again the Well has a lot of truly stupid conferences like granola and 15 overlapping nearly-identical grateful dead forums. -- more (96%) -- -tC [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 208 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: reive (Racheline Maltese) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 09:25:15 EST In-Reply-To: Um, was "dude" just a generic reference thing, or did you miss the fact I went to an all girls school for like 10 years? And in regard to that thing about picking up girls.... I have a bf at the moment (sort of one of those long term type things), but I have dated girls, so like thanks, I'll spend my $.50 on a candy bar (not like you can get them that cheap anymore). -reive not as hostile as she sounds ******************************* * reive * * reive@mindvox.phantom.com * * zs840c@gwuvm.gwu.edu * ******************************* [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 209 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: alibaba (Nick Mordanzo) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 11:28:46 EST reive (Racheline Maltese) writes: > Um, was "dude" just a generic reference thing, or did you miss the fact I > went to an all girls school for like 10 years? And in regard to that > thing about picking up girls.... I have a bf at the moment (sort of one of > those long term type things), but I have dated girls, so like thanks, > I'll spend my $.50 on a candy bar (not like you can get them that cheap > anymore). > -reive > not as hostile as she sounds if you read his quote he was talking to kieran and kieran quoted part of your post. I've never dated guys, don't plan to either. $%$%$%$%$%$%$% ($) Ali Baba ($) %$%$%$%$%$%$%$ -- more (97%) -- [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 210 of 342 Subject: chill alring From: hotblack (Dana Watanabe) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 16:49:08 EST not everyone out here is trying to be obnoxious just to you funn ything i just assume any negative post quoting kieran has to be agaisnt him dunno why its not how to pick up girls its the one that is how to get into bed with them that you want i think the main theory in that book was if you ask 10 women to sleep with you 1 shoudl say yes of course he ma ahve kept asking 9 women adn then headed down to sunset with some cahs a friend of mine is a guy who does lighting effects and other visual candy for undergrounds and shit like that he kind runs off that theory i was hanging out with him painting on a wall when some girl wwalked in -- more (69%) -- and he was like 'hey, do you want to be painted?' 'sure.. why not?' 'where do you want it? hwo bout my cheek? naah.. we need more room than that.. take off your clothes sounds stupid? well i feel asleep and woke up to find a naked girl getting painted at another point in time that nite people are peopl not men and women [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 211 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: bwp (Jane Doe) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 17:33:15 EST alibaba (Nick Mordanzo) writes: > your post. I've never dated guys, don't plan to either. So what do you want, a sympathy card, or a free year's subscription to Boardwatch? -3j Stupid people shouldn't breed [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 212 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: reive (Racheline Maltese) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 23:22:10 EST In-Reply-To: <56ecZB2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> okay, so like i was vaguely confused... i don't care, i enjoyed that post :) ******************************* * reive * * reive@mindvox.phantom.com * * zs840c@gwuvm.gwu.edu * ******************************* [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 213 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 00:54:08 EST In-Reply-To: yeah, reive, i kinda liked it too... :) and falconer: wow. besides the fact that i think that was terrifically written, it also kinda made me wish that more women were brought up that way..."sweet" has never been particularly appealing to me, and tho I dont' know that I'd totally fit into your description of your daughters, I do know that whatever parts DO fit are due mainly to ME, not to my up-bringing... dont know if that's a good or a bad thing...(i'm just talking as i watch my thoughts ramble on by) yeah, whatever... newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 214 of 342 Subject: Re: why so few chix? From: falconer (Steve Copold) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 08:48:43 EST newt (Dana Bettinger) writes: > and falconer: wow. besides the fact that i think that was terrifically > written, it also kinda made me wish that more women were brought up that > way..."sweet" has never been particularly appealing to me, and tho I > dont' know that I'd totally fit into your description of your daughters, > I do know that whatever parts DO fit are due mainly to ME, not to my > up-bringing... > > dont know if that's a good or a bad thing...(i'm just talking as i watch > my thoughts ramble on by) That's the real rub Newt...Who really knows what is good and what is bad? At best they're usually judgment calls...At worst they can be completely undecipherable...IMHO, the important thing is that you do your very best to discern which is which and then be true to your beliefs. -Falconer -- more (97%) -- [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 215 of 342 Subject: Falconer's M/C post From: bwp (Jane Doe) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 11:13:53 EST Newtt, Just who do you think that was under that crashed motorcycle, hm? -3j [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 216 of 342 Subject: Re: Falconer's M/C post From: simonm (Simon Moon) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 12:32:42 EST In-Reply-To: falconer (Steve Copold) writes: > I have two daughters. I want them to have equal opportunities with the > men with whom they'll have to compete all their lives. I know that will > not happen. Thus, I've done my best to alter the game. I can't change the > rules overnight, but I can change the players that I've had the chance to > raise. And, I suppose by many standards they're not very "sweet" girls. > They're smart, they're educated not in the simple secular way, but in the > school of hard knocks as well. They are agressive, they can be absolutely > ruthless and they are not merely survivors, but competitors with the > skills they need to win in any environment life throws at them. Word. Falc: sounds like you're doing an excelent job raising your kids. I'm impressed. -- more (96%) -- - Simon [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 217 of 342 Subject: Re: Falconer's M/C post From: sassy (Sassy Magazine) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 13:58:35 EST In-Reply-To: <8wVDZB6w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Agreed. Falconer sounds like an A-1 dad. Unfortunately, girls are still being raised by most parentals to be NICE, first and foremost. To be good girls. We're still the ones who are responsible for makin nice and building bridges btwn folks, all that sheet. Note, pls, how often its girls--even tho they're such a minority on here--who try to put an end to a long fruitless thread of flaminhostileragin posts. Okay, not to come off as a hairy-legged man hater or anything *giggle*. That was sarcasm. Just to head off certain people at the pass, idiotic post-wise. I think girls schools are excellent. Reive, it's true they're not for everyone, and i definitely think it's valid to try both single sex and coed schools, but study after study shows that women's college grads are successful way out of proportion to their numbers in the population. That -- more (59%) -- even when teachers are female they call on boys more, that boys talk more in coed classes, that girls raise their hands less (so if they're not called on, they'll just sit more). That more womens college grads go on to get doctorates in the sciences. Don't get me stahhhted, but it's all in the last Am Assoc of University Women study (and in the Nov. 92 ish of Sassy *modest, dainty, feminine blush*. So if women's schools are sexist, are historically black colleges racist? Oh feh, like I wanna get into more of an "Eat My Rotting Uterine Wall" fest with kieran. Now I really want to go have lunch. SOmeone's dick on a plate? Nah. Maybe a sandwich. 68 cents don't go as far as it used to... --Margie, cranky [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 218 of 342 Subject: Re: Falconer's M/C post From: falconer (Steve Copold) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 14:40:21 EST sassy (Sassy Magazine) writes: > Agreed. Falconer sounds like an A-1 dad. Thank you for that...I would like to think so. > ...but study after study shows that women's college grads are > successful way out of proportion to their numbers in the population. That > even when teachers are female they call on boys more, that boys talk more > in coed classes, that girls raise their hands less (so if they're not > called on, they'll just sit more). That more womens college grads go on > to get doctorates in the sciences. Don't get me stahhhted, but it's all > in the last Am Assoc of University Women study (and in the Nov. 92 ish of > Sassy *modest, dainty, feminine blush*. Entirely true...Another factor, however, which should not be overlooked is that the focus at "most" single-sex schools tends to be far more academic in bent than their coed counterparts. Universities with sexually balanced -- more (51%) -- populations usually wind up with a far higher "party factor" than single-sex institutions. The same is true to some extent for commuter colleges. > So if women's schools are sexist, are historically black colleges racist? Based on the contacts I've had with HBCU's (Historically Black Colleges and Universities), the answer is no. It is, however, a qualified no. To contend that racism and sexism do not cut both ways is pure folly. Separatism of any type promotes bias...That is just human nature. The UT component I work at is 93 percent Hispanic in its student makeup. Is there racism here? You bet there is! The key is in remembering that it can take many forms. Whether it is a presumption of ignorance when dealing with a student raised in a non-English speaking home, or some white-boy having to honk the horn when he picks up his date because her parents will not permit her to date an Anglo, it is still racist behavior. Can it be fixed? Yeah, I think it can...Unfortunately, I doubt that I'll live long enough to see it. -Falconer [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 219 of 342 Subject: Re: Falconer's M/C post From: toxic (Toxic Avenger) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 16:00:22 EST sassy (Sassy Magazine) writes: > So if women's schools are sexist, are historically black colleges racist? Nope, If I (as a white male) can apply and get into a historically black college, and go there, then it is not racist. However, I am being locked out of all-female schools because I have a penis. This is questionable. I'm not sure what to think about the whole situation, and Im not sure if I believe that a all-women's high school or college isn't better for a woman (education wise at least) but it definately varies from person to person. I still want to know WHY public all-female schools are ok, but all-male public schools are unconstitutional. Thats what bugs me. > --Margie, cranky --Tox, glad to see you out there. [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 220 of 342 Subject: Re: Falconer's M/C post From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 16:27:49 EST In-Reply-To: jane: yeah, i kinda guessed. ouch. sorry. [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 221 of 342 Subject: Re: Falconer's M/C post From: scoundrl (Renal Boy) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 17:28:14 EST In-Reply-To: <3s7DZB5w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> first off i wanna commend falconer because i think that its really kool about his daughters, BUT: 'niceness', no matter how putridly uneffective and counterproductive it is, is still an ok attribute. it shouldn't be limited to women. i would at any time rather be with someone who is nice than not. you can sdtill have your swagger, your too-fucking-kool-for-you glare and be nice if your a guy, and you can be competiitive. shurning out a bunch of hardened robots might be the right choice if you think that the prupous of human existance is getting ahead, and making a fast buck, but i maintain that more of it lies in inter-human relations. i don't think that many people would necessarily call me the nicest or sweetest person around and i like to think that im competitive, but i also have spent a long time trying to learn how to get along with people, and and i am STILL learning, and i honestly think that that is far more important than my acedemics. -- more (80%) -- the world isn't fair to women, i think it sucks and i think we should do all we should, and you are rigtht to raise your ids to be competitive. if you want, make them forget that they are girls. just never make them frget they are human beings. qthe Scoundrl [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 222 of 342 Subject: Re: Falconer's M/C post From: falconer (Steve Copold) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 17:56:53 EST scoundrl (Renal Boy) writes: > ...if you want, make them forget that they are girls. just never make them > frget they are human beings. I don't think there's a real big chance of that. As someone pointed out early on in the life of this system, the older one is a Phoebe Cates knock-off with real long hair, and the younger one looks a lot like Cindi Crawford did at 18 years-old. Let's just say that I've given them a realistic outlook on life and prepared them for the little inequities that are sure to come their way. Treat'em fairly and you'll get the same in return...Mess with'em and they'll bust your balls in a flash...nuff said! -Falconer [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 223 of 342 Subject: Re: Falconer's M/C post From: scoundrl (Renal Boy) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 18:11:43 EST > > I don't think there's a real big chance of that. As someone pointed out > early on in the life of this system, the older one is a Phoebe Cates > knock-off with real long hair, and the younger one looks a lot like Cindi > Crawford did at 18 years-old. now _where_ did you say you live, again!? > > -Falconer the Scoundrl [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 224 of 342 Subject: girls schools From: reive (Racheline Maltese) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 19:08:32 EST Just a note: I recognize the need for girls schools, I just think a lot of them aren't doing the jobs they should be. I realize many women who attend them excel in areas women are not generally encouraged to. Many girls schools are also similar to the one I attended, where although they encouraged us academically we also learned how to curtsey to people of different social stations(real useful, let me tell you) and play a little piano and dance a little and discuss effectively current events without being too opinionated. I didn't go to a finishing school, but where I went was pretty damn close at times. That's where the hostility comes from. I think that girls schools that are helping their students to be more assertive and to study fields that women are generally not encouraged too are great; the world I grew up in wasn't very much like that though. I also think when a girl makes a choice to attend a single-sex school that is much more positive for her than if she has grown up in one. If I had gone to a real school that had also happened to be a girls school, I'd probably have a different attitude. Plus most people hated junior high anyway, who knows maybe the fact that it was all girls had nothing to do -- more (75%) -- with the fact that the place drove me nuts, but I don't think so. Oh well, whatever, just explaining where the hostility comes from (yes, there are reasons for it :) -reive ******************************* * reive * * reive@mindvox.phantom.com * * zs840c@gwuvm.gwu.edu * ******************************* [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 225 of 342 Subject: Re: girls schools From: sassy (Sassy Magazine) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 23:37:28 EST In-Reply-To: brava. standing o for reive. i was thinking more along the lines of women's colleges, tho the finishing school aspect is a prob there too, often. oh well. elitism hither and yon. chickie steotyping. miss margie, wearing white elbow-length gloves [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 226 of 342 Subject: Re: girls schools From: simonm (Simon Moon) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 05:26:57 EST In-Reply-To: <6oqeZB1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Reive! What happened to the paragraphs? I liked them so much... - Simon [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 227 of 342 Subject: Re: girls schools From: reive (Racheline Maltese) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 11:01:37 EST In-Reply-To: Damn, I knew someone would notice.... -reive ******************************* * reive * * reive@mindvox.phantom.com * * zs840c@gwuvm.gwu.edu * ******************************* [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 228 of 342 Subject: Re: girls schools From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 01:06:11 EST In-Reply-To: para g r a p h z . . . you R E A L L Y d o n ' t n e e d p a r a g r a p h z . e x c e p t occasionally, when you don't wanna m a k e US go nuts . . . ya K N O W ??? newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 229 of 342 Subject: change of subject From: sassy (Sassy Magazine) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 15:30:47 EST In-Reply-To: <15JiZB3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> I just saw Sommersby. Does Richard Gere remind anyone else of a hairless rat. Yick. . Love that Jodie, tho. Daniel Day-Lewis is among the tastier men in film and his snub by those Oscar-nominating dickwads was an OUTRAGE. I was psyched that they recognized The Crying Game people. Anyone else care to weigh in on the foxy male topic? margie, sensing a conversational lull and leaping into the breach [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 230 of 342 Subject: Re: change of subject From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 06:00:43 EST In-Reply-To: <1TiLZB2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> dfinitely a lull.. heh but yeah, ddl is a fantastic actor as well... (hmmm, concept) TO EVERYONE GO SEE FLIRTING it is amazing it is fantastic i adored it it is one of the best i've seen in a ges. (nice women-online stuff here...) newtt -- more (95%) -- [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 231 of 342 Subject: Re: change of subject From: scoundrl (Renal Boy) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 10:31:44 EST In-Reply-To: newtt: do you read the movies phorum? didn't think so. cuz its been said. the Scoundrl [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 232 of 342 Subject: change of change of subj. From: ehsmith (Ethan H. Smith) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 14:50:46 EST In-Reply-To: Okay, here's an example of this "women's only" space-issue that recently came up for me and I've been thinking about... I'm a women's studies major. And in my senior seminar there are like, 3 men (including me) and about 17 or 18 women (including the prof.). The subject of the seminar is something like "women, Sex, and Power" or sex, gender and power" or something. Anyway, so the other week in addition to whatever theory stuff we had, we read part od the Story of O--the class was on romance, dominance, submission, s/m, etc. Okay, now,w, this one total toad of a guy kept referring to various specific scenes in the Story of O and going into fairly lurid detail while describing them to us. Like "So he's coming in her mouth and she's enjoying it and thinking 'I love him'" and so forth. Actually more graphic details than that. I mean, this guy was obviously making the entire class incredibly uncomfortable with his foamy-lipped recountings of these pornographic scenes. Now, I am not like incredibly prudish, nor, I -- more (45%) -- think, are the other class members. But there seemed to be something in his manner which suggested that he was perhaps *participating* in the pornographic imagination he was discussing. I mean, sure, to a certain extent I'm sure that part of the reason any of us did the reading was some sort of thrill or erotic interst. But the fact of the matter is that this guy was making the sort of primary students in the class incredibly uncomfortable by presenting himself so thoroughly as like, the classic example of the participatory male spectator. And I got to thinking, "should there be men in this class? Would I be helping a feminist agenda more by simply removing myself from this discussion (and taking this goob [wink to sassy] out with me?" I dunno what to think about this... I can never make up my mind. I mean, for example, until now I have always avoided posting heere for exactly the reason that maybe it's better not to be invasive. On the other hand, maybe my reading the posts here is enough of a voyeuristic intrusion that I might as well at least be visible to the people who post here... Hmm sorry for all the soul searching and all, but I just wonder about this *constantly* and I am looking for other opinions. -- more (90%) -- (And hey, if you are a man reading this and feel the urge to spout off some crap about sensitive Alan Alda-clone women's studies men, just keep it to yourself, because that shit is tired). <--ooh, defensive, aren't we? Ethan [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 234 of 342 Subject: Re: change of subject From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 15:25:45 EST In-Reply-To: oh hush up, i'm QUITE aware of that. and i don't care. margie mentioned movies, so dammit, i can too! besides, i like dit! :) newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 235 of 342 Subject: Re: hmmm...... From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 15:29:38 EST In-Reply-To: <2y7oZB2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> amy? hmm...i don't know about the competition thing i think that males are difinitely encouraged to ignore the sort of "care about others feelings" to an extent.... but i know a lot of girls that are JUST as competitive as guys (KC people, think Knighton?) and so what does one make of that? is it an individual thing? or a "product of your society and environment" thing? what?? actually, looking at that "males are encouraged..." comment, i don't think that was exactly what i meant to say, or how i meant to say it...but i guess you can re-inerpret it or something... and i n fact, i know a lot of girls who are a lot MORE competitive than many of the guys i am friends with...which is also reflective on the type of people i'm friends with...killer WIN WIN WIN WIN NO MATTER WHAT WIN -- more (52%) -- WIN WIN attitudes don't really rub me the right way... ethan: (this is obviously just my opinion, but...) please, keep reading and posting... i know somepeople wanted to make this women-only...i dunno, i suppose that i just feel that would not accomlish anything, and that if someone is going to write a post that is as obviously aware and totally unobnoxious as this one was, then by all means, do it! anyway, as far as the dilemma goes...i can see where it's coming from... i wouldn't leave the class...maybe someone talk to the other guy? because it seems that more than just acting the typical "male" or whatever, he's just acting like an immature 16 year old who can't handle the unit (think sex-ed in elementary and middle school???).. but again, i don't really feel that leaving would accomplish anything. for you, or for the class. hmmm... ok -- more (97%) -- newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 236 of 342 Subject: Re: hmmm...... From: reive (Racheline Maltese) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 16:48:11 EST In-Reply-To: <448oZB8w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Ethan: You know a girl probably could have said the same thing in the same way probably made the class just as uncomfortable; It may not be as likely a situation, but still. Also that's just the way the world is, if you can't deal with it in class, what's the point (not directedat you, but the girls). Thing is I probably would've gone off at the guy at length in class, and enjoyed it intensely. BTW I read that book-- kinda impressed that it would actually be used in a class; that professor has guts. ******************************* * reive * * reive@mindvox.phantom.com * * zs840c@gwuvm.gwu.edu * ******************************* [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 237 of 342 Subject: Re: hmmm...... From: scoundrl (Renal Boy) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 19:36:45 EST In-Reply-To: <1qBPZB3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> ethan: this is meant in an absolutely harmless, just-out-of-curiosity way, but just _what_ does one do with a women's studies degree (male or female)??? i know lots of people who are studying/or are gog to study in that field and i just wanna know then what? thanx, no offense. the Scoundrl [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 238 of 342 Subject: Violent Spaces Revisited... From: falconer (Steve Copold) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 23:36:48 EST In-Reply-To: Amada & Newtt... I absolutely did not mean to imply, and this was in fact the point of the original posting, that there are sexually based differences in attitudes or behavior that are rooted in some biological basis. Au contraire...I believe they are the results of social conditioning and the societal "norms" (whatever those are at any given period in time) that are imposed on the children of both sexes that result in the different responses and behaviors we may manifest later in life. All of those conditioned responses can be overcome, but not without major efforts in many cases. My point was that if you succeed in reversing the conditioning you had better be damned sure you are ready to live with the consequences of your choice. The cliche that "the grass is always greener" may have a lot of subliminal appeal, but the realities of your neighbor's lawn may be a serious infestation of very surly weeds! -- more (97%) -- -Falconer [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 239 of 342 Subject: Re: Violent Spaces Revisited... From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 23:56:39 EST In-Reply-To: <2NuPZB2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> HUH??? falconer: uhm, i wasn't arguing with you...??!?...rather, i agree with both the social conditioning idea AND the you-better-be-ready-to-deal-with-the-consequences part. hmmm... ok. newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 240 of 342 Subject: Re: hmmm...... From: ehsmith (Ethan H. Smith) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 01:28:18 EST scoundrl (Renal Boy) writes: > ethan: this is meant in an absolutely harmless, just-out-of-curiosity way, > but just _what_ does one do with a women's studies degree (male or female)??? > Do Alan Alda impersonations, of course... Ha ha ha. (not) Um, gee, I don't know, probably about the same thing I would do with any other liberal arts degree, I spose. Life is short: slack hard. You know? Just something, I guess. (actually my secret desire that I'm kind of afraid to mention here is someday to be a writer for sassy, just like Margie--no kidding. That, for the moment, is pretty much my goal in life...) > i know lots of people who are studying/or are gog to study in that field > and i just wanna know then what? ^^^^^^^^^^^^ and gettin' groggy... -- more (90%) -- > thanx, no offense. none taken, ([muttering under breath] f^%#@& jerky!!! <-hee) [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 241 of 342 Subject: Re: hmmm...... From: ehsmith (Ethan H. Smith) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 01:37:47 EST reive (Racheline Maltese) writes: > Ethan: > You know a girl probably could have said the same thing in the same way > probably made the class just as uncomfortable; It may not be as likely a well, the only thing about that is that we were discussing a book that was specifically about male pleasure in the objectification of the female body/sexuality, etc. So that when this man appeared to be so unselfconsciously participating in that dynamic by getting into these descriptions, it seemed incredibly unnerving and weird--much more so, I think, than if a woman had said the same thing. I think it's usually pretty important to try to contextualize people's statements as much as possible, esp. in a discussion of some book to see how they are relating to the text, etc. I actually think that it would *not* have been received the same way if a woman had said it... Then again, your average woman wouldn't be so clueless that she would say that -- more (67%) -- stuff... > situation, but still. Also that's just the way the world is, if you good point. I spose I probably have some tendency to sort of ivory-tower-ize some of these issues and think it's weird, for example, for someone to think it's weird for a man to be a feminist, or whatever (just as an example, I mean). On the other hand, we had our fair share of *that* world in the Story of O without this goofy guy's help. And yeah, that teacher has guts galore. She's the coolest (I think that about all my teachers, though) [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 242 of 342 Subject: Re: Violent Spaces Revisited... From: falconer (Steve Copold) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 11:46:41 EST newt (Dana Bettinger) writes: > hmmm... > ok. Okay! -Falconer [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 243 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: simonm (Simon Moon) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 13:33:14 EST In-Reply-To: Ethan: just shoot him. It's that simple. - Simon [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 244 of 342 Subject: icky boys in the classroom From: sassy (Sassy Magazine) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 16:34:48 EST In-Reply-To: <4DXqZB6w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> I always think how a class--women's studies or any other--responds to sexist/bigoted statements is interesting. Did anyone actually SAY what you posted, or did people informally after class disect what the nebbish said. How confrontational do people (other than him) get? One doesn't wish to silence people like that--heaven forfend--but you also hope for a comfortable enuf atmosphere that you can slug back (SIMON), I mean figuratively, without descending to a personal level (you know, like "eat me." ANd if I may be so bold and objectify you for just one moment--Ethan, you're the foxiest. margie, YOUR biggest fan (acshully that's debateable) [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 245 of 342 Subject: Re: icky boys in the classroom From: deckard (Mike Gwertzman) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 18:23:45 EST In-Reply-To: I don't want to sound like a fool, but I don't think a women's studies class should be all-women. At my high school, there is a American Women's course. From my lady friends they tell me that it is a basically a "let's gang up on the evil men" class. Although there are a few man in the class (I shouldn't be surprised actually.) I fear that they are put in the uncomfortable position of being asked "Well, YOU are a man, what do YOU think about it?" You know, as if they were representing the entire sex? At school, we are supposed to be diverse. I don't think a women's studies class with all women would get the whole picture. I dunno. -mike [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 246 of 342 Subject: Re: icky boys in the classroom From: ehsmith (Ethan H. Smith) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 20:02:54 EST Margie (Phunk Kween) writes: > I always think how a class--women's studies or any other--responds to > sexist/bigoted statements is interesting. Did anyone actually SAY what > you posted, or did people informally after class disect what the nebbish > said. How confrontational do people (other than him) get? The thing about Williams Colege is that people are very very *polite*. To the point of wussiness sometimes. So, no, nobody said anything in class to satanboy (he's not really *that* bad, actually...I mean, he would *like* to be a feminist, which is a [plus). Yeah, so I dunno. One doesn't > wish to silence people like that--heaven forfend--but you also hope for a > comfortable enuf atmosphere that you can slug back (SIMON), I mean > figuratively, without descending to a personal level (you know, like > "eat me." > -- more (55%) -- Yeah, see that would be a pretty ideal situation. But the thing is (I don't want to drag this out too long, but hey) that it would kind of have to be personal, in a way, since whoever would say something to him would be diverting the discussion from whatever he thought the topic at hand was to his personal discursive/rhetorical style, you know? Which doesn't necessarily excuse us other class members from being politely offended sheep, but does explain perhaps our group reluctance to speak up... > margie, YOUR biggest fan (acshully that's debateable) Yeah, after all, there was ALL that fan mail for me after the December issue... (hee hee hee. ***Action: E. blushes so hard he bursts a blood vessel in his face and has to be rushed to the hospital by his friend Jose who is conveniently located close at hand.) [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 247 of 342 Subject: Re: icky boys in the classroom From: reive (Racheline Maltese) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 21:26:59 EST In-Reply-To: Interesting point about "well you're a man, what do you think?" and guys being stuck representing their whole gender in a mostly female class. I was in a similar situation once. I used to be really active in the L/G/B on campus, and I was the only woman who was really active. We used to have these weekly discussion groups and at every meeting it was, "and now for a woman's point of view...." it was so annoying, especially because I don't think I am typical of most women of any sexual orientation. And my guess is that the guys in a woman's studies class wouldn't give a typical male opinion, with the possible exception of that dude in the class reading Story of O. Why are we so obsessed with viewing people in terms of their gender? (I know, I know human nature, but it still strikes me as weird). -reive ******************************* * reive * * reive@mindvox.phantom.com * -- more (90%) -- * zs840c@gwuvm.gwu.edu * ******************************* [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 248 of 342 Subject: Re: hmmm...... From: hayden (Hugh Appet) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 93 23:12:31 EST In-Reply-To: So Ethan, Was this guy the only one to comment on the book? What did the other people in the class think? Hay [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 249 of 342 Subject: Re: hmmm...... From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 00:03:07 EST In-Reply-To: yeah, why DO we keep stressing gender ALL the time? sure, it comes into play in more situations than one... but?? newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 250 of 342 Subject: Re: representing your sex From: deckard (Mike Gwertzman) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 00:01:23 EST In-Reply-To: Well I have mixed feelings regarding "Werll you're a man, what do you think?" When someone is active in the l/g/b as you were reive, and stands out, they can't help but be labeled as their leader or something. Their spokesperson. In an ideal society, when everyone is equally represented and we can have rational discussions, there shouldn't be any stereotypign or gender typing. But I can't blame them. In the women's history class for example, when they want a man's perspective, who else are they going to ask but one or two vocal males? They are forced to represent a sex. Just as I'm sure you were called on to do, because you seemed to be an active campus member. -mike [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 251 of 342 Subject: Re: representing your sex From: reive (Racheline Maltese) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 01:00:05 EST In-Reply-To: <1gqRZB2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> I'm not bitching about having to be a representative of, just the way people handle it. Yeah okay, if the one guy is the only person in the women's studies class than of course you're gonna ask him for opinions, but assuming he represents all guys is lame. It should be more like "what do you think about this? what do you think most guys would think about this? do you think gender affects how you view this?" If you ask questions like that it makes the opinions more imporatant than the gender which in most cases is how it should be. I know rambling runn-on's but whatever. -reive ******************************* * reive * * reive@mindvox.phantom.com * * zs840c@gwuvm.gwu.edu * ******************************* [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 252 of 342 Subject: Representative Men (nice Emerson reference, huh?) From: ehsmith (Ethan H. Smith) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 19:39:18 EST In-Reply-To: You know, the thing about men being called on to present a "male perspective" is kind of you know whatever, shoddy pedagogical method and all, and politically suspect and a pain in the butt. The thing is, how often does it happen? Probably like 4 times a year nation-wide. It's really much much more heinous etc. for say a black woman to be called on out of a class of white men to give the "oppressed minority" opinion/perspective. (This was actually totally happening just the other day in this intro. level political theory clas that I t.a.--very dodgy. The teacher was being cool about it and saying "Nicole, of course you don't *have* to speak for *all* black women, by any means" etc. But people in the class--mostly white, mostly men--were regarding her word as the definitive one on the so-called "black woman's perspective"--identity politix coopted and perverted to the most nastyest of all ends, no?) I don't want to come off as some foamy-lipped p.c.er, because I'm not, I don't think. But it's important to keep in mind when a man is complaining -- more (38%) -- about some infringement on his status as a man that chances are he's surprised because this has never happened to him before--no one has ever questioned or examined his authority to speak from an "objective" stance, you know? As for the reason people seem to focus on gender? Well, I for one think it's important because gender-roles have been used to legitimate or explain away the oppression or domination of half the human race at one time or another--for no good reason. Sure sure it's true that inherently (what does that word mean most of time anyway?) there's no reason to privilege gender as a category on which to base your analysis, but you often have to start somewhere, it seems like. Also, for the most part, in a women's studies class, you often spend a lot of time deconstructing (oh oh oh the hated "d" word--but it's *true*! [giggle!]) the logics that subtend our sex-gender system, or at least how these structures come about and how they function. And (I forget who asked about this), as far as other responses to The Story of O, sure there were plenty--a whole range. The thing is, we weren't really just reading it and saying "Oh, I thought that bit on page 45 was extra spicy!" or extra offensive or whatever. We were reading in -- more (74%) -- conjunction with this book called The Bonds of Love by Jessica Benjamin that does a sort of psychoanalytic reading of the origins of domination and submission in adult erotic life. So I mean, that's why it was so weirdly inappropriate for there to be lurid details from the book being discussed in the class--it just really was not very relevant. That Jessica Benjamin is pretty cool in her own way, btw (if anybody here's into psychonanlytiic feminism that sort of uses "the master's [i.e. Freud's] tools" to tear down the master's haus, so to speak. She goes beyond that mere pleasure/pain thing to get a pretty cool reading of f'rinstance, mother-infant dynamics). Ay ayay!!! Too durn much b.s.!!!! AAaaaggh! I'm drowning in it!!!! end this damn post!!! Gotta hot date with Freud and Dora...(schwing!!!) [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 253 of 342 Subject: Re: Representative Men (nice Emerson reference, huh?) From: deckard (Mike Gwertzman) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 23:02:21 EST In-Reply-To: <8Z9sZB2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> When I brought up the point about men being called on to represent men I was using it because we were discussing women's studies, and whether or not there should be no men in it or what. Every day I see people called on to speak for their race. I was trying to keep some continuity going. Oh well. [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 254 of 342 Subject: gender gap?? From: amada (Amy Dona) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 23:44:51 EST In-Reply-To: did it strike anyone else that why gender is SO important ...why is it stressed overly much, in a forum named "Women On-line" I'm not contraditing anyone it just strook me as amusing It is unavoidable for woman to be united a bit by the common attitude taken against them at times... When I run up against it It infuriates me!! I want to yell in their faces " WHY CAN'T YOU TAKE ME FOR WHATY I AM W/O ANY PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS???" I realize that this is unrealiatic though...there will always be ideas in thepeople's minds.....just let them be less less all-defining In all honesty I have never really had a problem because i am female. I always find a way to work around those who would stand in my way but there it is always invading...the idea of whata good girl" should be like...innoecent, unthinking, social, concerned w/ little else than her -- more (51%) -- appearance I know this sounds exaggerated but in my HS there are those teachers left over from the early 60's who still have these exact ideas luckily i have avoid them at all costs...adn my school is advanced enough to keep them out of the truly influential positons for fear of parental actions I was lucky enough to be raised in an enviroment where it made little difference if I were female or male and I have never seen being female as never seen being female as a limitation and have proved to those w/ doubts that I can do all that a male can and sometimes more this turned into another long babbling post...(I went back and read the last onthis turned out to be anoth long babbling post (I went back and deleted the last on,...it didn't say what i wanted it to) though there are no main points to this i hope you get the general feeling there are prejudices that unite woman but there are ways to work around most and it's not always that bad.... amada -- more (97%) -- [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 255 of 342 Subject: Re: gender gap?? From: dsharp (david sharp) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 93 00:47:09 EST In-Reply-To: >Every day I see people called on to speak for their race... Yeah, you know many groups - genetic/cultural/political - have professional 'spokespeople' some of whom make a decent living at it. you just gotta find your spokes-niche in this world, son dsharp spokesperson fer dorks n doofuses [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 256 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: scoundrl (Renal Boy) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 93 04:36:23 EST simonm (Simon Moon) writes: > Ethan: just shoot him. It's that simple. > yeah! and taht way you can show him taht you're a man! the scoundrl (shhhh!) [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 257 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 93 19:07:20 EST In-Reply-To: oh, there we go. the right ideas, they flow so easy! (yeah, so i'm incoherent. so what??) newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 258 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 93 17:15:13 EST In-Reply-To: nahk we know he's a man. err nah. yeah, whatever. heh newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 259 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: enzyme (David Pincus) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 93 19:57:06 EST newt (Dana Bettinger) writes: > oh, there we go. > the right ideas, they flow so easy! > > (yeah, so i'm incoherent. > so what??) > > newtt newt: we (at least I) love you when you babble, you actually make more sense than me usually (which in an of itself is not so difficult). enzyme enzym3 3nzym3 3nzyme enzyme [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 260 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: nancykay (NancyKay Shapiro) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 93 20:17:36 EST In-Reply-To: Hi all. Just announcing my presence. New here. *************Perpetual Dawn. . . .Infinite Sunrise******************** [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 261 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 93 23:38:09 EST In-Reply-To: <2Re5ZB4w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> (ni nancykay who announces herself to us. welcome!) wow, thanks enz! i feel warm and fuzy now. not that you're normally that incoherent, but...) heh (go read randy's bashing of our (me, amada, whoever) methods of signoff. it's amusing.) indeed. btw, that was "hi nancykay..." newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 262 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: scoundrl (Renal Boy) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 93 03:48:09 EST In-Reply-To: what is this shit? want to get eh newbies on 'your side'? there are NO sides here. for god's sake, it was not a bash. it ws a comment. does EVERYTHING here have to be uppitty and positive. can't someone just make a relatively innocent comment without being condemned as a characer assassin? just because i know you in real life, dana, does not mean: a) you have any idea who i am, or what i think, or that i even give a flying shit about you AT ALL b) EVERYTHING i say toyou has some deeper, hidden meaning rooted in real life. -- more (93%) -- the scoundrl (shhhh!!) [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 263 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 93 18:36:12 EST In-Reply-To: randy, i never ever SAID i knew you. and to be honest, from what i see of you quite often, i don't really know if i'd ever WANT to. so i'm not exactly sure where you're coming from, but it seems to be putting a rather large questionmark in my brain... and sides? what the hell? and i couldn't care less about "getting the newbies.." I was SAYING HELLO you moron! sheesh. newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 264 of 342 Subject: squelch that goofiness From: ehsmith (Ethan H. Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 93 19:15:31 EST In-Reply-To: <2eZ8ZB7w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Damn Mr Renal boy (or should I say "venal boy"?) That sounded rather hostile! Lemme just give you some quotes from one of my fave new zines, "Hermenaut" to cool you out: Hermenaut of the Month: NOVALIS (1772-1801). Born Friedrich von Hardenberg, Novalis lived slow and died young on the cusp of the Romantic era. He was a slick guy, who looked a lot like Johnny Dep, and his interests included poetry, fictions (Hesse's 'Journey to the East' features a cameo by Novalis' character Henry von Ofterdingen), philosophy, chemistry and mathematics. Like Elvis [and, I might add, Jerry Lee Lewis], when Novalis was in his early twenties, he became obsessed with a thirteen-year-old girl: Sophie. Sophie died soon after, and Novalis spent the few remaining years of his life managing a salt-mine and feverishly writing aphorisms, or 'fragments.' He died at twenty-eight of tuberculosis and a broken heart. -- more (54%) -- "[Novalis'] poetic subject is entirely *intersubjective*, or being-in-relation, fractured by alterity and loving it. The poetic subject remains in a constant state of existential tension." "The ever-dynamic poet is...truly moral. Novalis' Symposie can 'point forward to a better world," and that is why Novalis is our HERMENAUT OF THE MONTH." Hot for Nietzsche (like van Halen's "Hot for Teacher" get it?) "I went slightly crazy...": [cartoon thought-bubble]: "What a bunch of squares... Mediocre, like the "Last Men" HE predicted." [...later...] "Ohne day I picked up Twilight of the Idols and had a frightening revelation." Oh my God, Nietzsche is just like every boyfriend I've ever had--brilliant, but an emotional cripple. Heuses bizarre theories to justify feelings he can't control or understand." Intrigued? writ eto -- more (94%) -- Paradise Enterprises 17 Lourdes Ave. #2 Jamaica Plain, MA 02130. [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 265 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: enzyme (David Pincus) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 00:33:44 EST scoundrl (Renal Boy) writes: > what is this shit? want to get eh newbies on 'your side'? you calling me a newbie? lessee, I got my first computer when I was 10, that would have made you 2 years old! > there are NO sides here. > > for god's sake, it was not a bash. it ws a comment. randy, it was a bash ( as an objective bystander you have to learn to temper your net text). > does EVERYTHING here have to be uppitty and positive. can't someone just > make a relatively innocent comment without being condemned as a characer > assassin? > -- more (54%) -- > just because i know you in real life, dana, does not mean: > > a) you have any idea who i am, or what i think, or that i even give a > flying shit about you AT ALL hmmm... sour grapes? > > b) EVERYTHING i say toyou has some deeper, hidden meaning rooted in real life > Oh please the bullshit is getting too thick, where are my waders? > the scoundrl (shhhh!!) > > Ease up scoundrl, you're a young and intelligent person. Don't let others step on you, but that doesn't mean you should get a larger pair of combat boots. Peace and love and all that granola nut crunch shit. -- more (94%) -- enzyme enzym3 3nzym3 3nzyme enzyme [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 266 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: kieran (Aaron Dickey) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 01:39:37 EST newt (Dana Bettinger) writes: > randy, i never ever SAID i knew you. > and to be honest, from what i see of you quite often, > i don't really know if i'd ever WANT to. This had better be a reference to his personality instead of his looks... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Dickey It's three AM, You're wide awake, Internet: kieran@mindvox.phantom.com And you're not wearing pants, So grab your World News Now mug And everybody Dance! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Who is 'The Lonliest Monk'?" -- Tabitha Soren [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 267 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: scoundrl (Renal Boy) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 04:13:22 EST In-Reply-To: ok look...i should have been mad at amy, anway...i misread the headers onthe posts in bandwidth, yours was relatively innocent. i'm sorry, dana. butecho what i said to amada. here, it sounded like you were saying , hi ther. i'm newt, and check out the assholw on bandwidth. enzyme: i wasn't making any reference to you. and i maintain...i was making an observation...not a particularly positive one, yet nto a chaaracter assassination, either. and keiren: hah! she's secretly in love with me. its sour grapes. (and yes, i'm joking! lots of :)'s) the scoundrl (shhhh!!) -- more (96%) -- [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 268 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: hotblack (Dana Watanabe) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 17:27:48 EST scoundrl (Renal Boy) dreams: > and keiren: hah! she's secretly in love with me. its sour grapes. children, go kiss and make up before i make you go to bed without supper okay.. first things first im a soon to be womens studies major but i am NO a feminist or anything of the sorty fuck if anythign im a male chauvinist pig but hey, who cares kieran-shutup ethan et all- i understand what youre saying i think well maybe not from what i hear a lot of guys take womens studies courses to pick up on women (straight outa Class of '96) -- more (42%) -- and they are the ones likely to not say something stupid unless they dont think it is such or to try to make more sense, usually they will try to be a bit more intellignet about the things they say of course the fact that lesbians and feminists who dont want to be icked up on or more likely to be in theses courses indicates that they are already stupid human sexuality is the class to pick up the babes in you look around and see their reactions to the pornos and go for the ones that seem really into it but anyhow.. i think men and women need to talk about it not just women i mena there should be spaces of privacy where ggroups of people who think they can identify with each other can do so with out the invasion of groups of people who cant identify but wnat to learn about them or just want to insult them but there also needs to be open forums where people talk and anbd can ask questions and you can mnever be tired of answering question becasue learning is what its all about or something like taht -- more (97%) -- [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 269 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: kieran (Aaron Dickey) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 02:21:11 EST hotblack (Dana Watanabe) writes: > kieran-shutup I wasn't talking to you, and you obviously can't follow a thread worth shit, so fuck off. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Dickey It's three AM, You're wide awake, Internet: kieran@mindvox.phantom.com And you're not wearing pants, So grab your World News Now mug And everybody Dance! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Who is 'The Lonliest Monk'?" -- Tabitha Soren [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 270 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 02:36:06 EST In-Reply-To: kieran, of COURSE it was. so i suppose it shoulda been more like: and from what i KNOW of you... however, after the post to dan, he's risen several notches in the maturity ladder. congrats randy. that was really cool. newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 271 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: newt (Dana Bettinger) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 02:38:18 EST In-Reply-To: UGH. please. newtt [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 272 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: amada (Amy Dona) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 93 16:13:30 EST In-Reply-To: ok randy...peace?? cool with me if it is w/ you? I probably overreacted...it has not been a good week (make that month) and I just didn't wan to deal w/ any shit no matter how mild or where it came from not the greatesr apology i know but I'm sorry (hey...if there is more to it than overreacting, catch me at school or rehearsal and talk to me...I don't want negative vibes betweeen us) amada [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 273 of 342 Subject: Re: change of change of subj. From: hotblack (Dana Watanabe) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 22:10:31 EST In-Reply-To: <8scD1B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> hah ill show you who cant follow a thread wait whats a thread isnt the whole point just to babble endlessly about nothing fuck maybe im in the wrong place i should stop being childish but maybe not cuz i am a child and dammit i should act my age [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 274 of 342 Subject: discussion From: sunday (Amy Emke) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 93 23:54:56 EST In-Reply-To: <9NiH1B3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Hi, I'm new here, and I couldn't help but notice that the forum has deteriorated into petty arguements for the last few days. I dig this forum though, and I would like to hear other's opinions on a variety of topics. I joined this bbs specifically, because I get hassled on most of the other bbs's in NYC. I quit bbsing for a couple of years, because I got bored by the meat market mentality. If there is a genuine interest in attracting more women online, then spaces must be created where women can get into discussions, projects, etc. without too much overt hostility, flirtation, etc. The dating spaces should also exist as usual for those who want it. Asking about why there should be all-female colleges, although all-male colleges are now illegal is like saying, "Duh, why don't they have a MEN'S studies major?" Nice meeting y'all. [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 275 of 342 Subject: Re: discussion From: gearhead (Sean Hamilton) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 93 00:23:31 EST sunday (Amy Emke) writes: > Hi, I'm new here Hello > If there is a genuine interest > in attracting more women online, then spaces must be created where women > can get into discussions, projects, etc. without too much overt > hostility, flirtation, etc. The so-called Cybersalons (Mindvox, Echo, Well) seem to do a better job of attracting and serving female members than free boards. I guess social retards who think "Hey,baby, nice bits." is a kewl line can't afford the fifteen-bucks-a-month cover charge. > Asking about why there should be all-female > colleges, although all-male colleges are now illegal is like saying, > "Duh, why don't they have a MEN'S studies major?" Most colleges do have a men's studies major but they just call it "the curriculum". heh I have to say that I think both genders are entitled to private spaces. -- more (89%) -- The Well and Echo both have a women-only forum and a men-only forum and I think that's equitable. [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: Post: 276 of 342 Subject: Re: discussion From: sleuth (Reuben Radding) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 93 18:44:03 EST sunday (Amy Emke) writes: > "Duh, why don't they have a MEN'S studies major?" Well. . . ? Why DON'T they? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==- sleuth@mindvox.phantom.com | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [ Area: Zones / Forum: Women-Online ] [Return] 1-342, [Q]uit: NO CARRIER NO CARRIER