WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.000 Okay, let's continue so now, as you can already see, 00:09.000 --> 00:12.000 give free zero and beyond to presented by Jahan, 00:12.000 --> 00:16.000 who, as they're saying, no good deal of punish shows 00:16.000 --> 00:18.000 that he wanted to make an animated film, 00:18.000 --> 00:21.000 and ended up becoming the maintainer of GIMP. 00:21.000 --> 00:25.000 So, see, I'll be here some more people from the GIMP death team. 00:25.000 --> 00:27.000 Hopefully, here's some interesting things. 00:28.000 --> 00:29.000 Go ahead, and welcome. 00:39.000 --> 00:44.000 Hello, and I think Carlos is here, isn't he? 00:48.000 --> 00:49.000 Carlos? 00:49.000 --> 00:51.000 Ah, okay, I'm not yet. 00:51.000 --> 00:54.000 And Nils may be, he's not around. 00:55.000 --> 00:57.000 Okay, it's okay. 00:59.000 --> 01:01.000 So, hello everyone. 01:01.000 --> 01:03.000 So, we are the GIMP team. 01:05.000 --> 01:08.000 Maybe just to a small round of presentation, 01:08.000 --> 01:11.000 I'm Jahan, so one of the maintenance of GIMP. 01:13.000 --> 01:14.000 Yeah. 01:14.000 --> 01:18.000 I'm Michael Schumacher, also known as Schumacher online. 01:19.000 --> 01:22.000 Hello, my name is Ariam. 01:22.000 --> 01:29.000 I draw, I design something in GIMP, sorry. 01:30.000 --> 01:32.000 Hi, my name is Simaburi. 01:32.000 --> 01:36.000 I'm one of the old parts, and I just want to point out 01:36.000 --> 01:38.000 Ratha Akini is sitting over there. 01:38.000 --> 01:43.000 He's a long time contributor from the past. 01:43.000 --> 01:47.000 And maybe from the future, so maybe we'll see. 01:49.000 --> 01:57.000 Okay, so, so I guess most of us, I hope, no GIMP. 01:57.000 --> 02:02.000 So I want to present it, but it's, maybe I will just, it's like, 02:02.000 --> 02:05.000 it's image manipulation program. 02:05.000 --> 02:10.000 So photography, illustration, and more. 02:11.000 --> 02:17.000 So the current stable release is tail 210, which is on all GTA-2, 02:17.000 --> 02:22.000 but it's still very active on things. 02:22.000 --> 02:25.000 So like, I thought I, I will put some, 02:25.000 --> 02:31.000 some general information that will be quick on the 210 series, 02:31.000 --> 02:35.000 which is that table release, because some people think, 02:35.000 --> 02:37.000 kind of, we see this, all the interactions. 02:38.000 --> 02:40.000 That's a development is there or something, but like, 02:40.000 --> 02:43.000 since 2018 when we release a 2.10 zero, 02:43.000 --> 02:46.000 we had 20 stable release. 02:46.000 --> 02:49.000 And since we have a new release policy, 02:49.000 --> 02:52.000 we can even release on micropoint releases. 02:52.000 --> 02:56.000 So 2.2, 2.10 for next year, and so on. 02:56.000 --> 03:00.000 So we have new features, like every few months. 03:00.000 --> 03:04.000 So like, and on the, since we branched out from the 2.8, 03:04.000 --> 03:07.000 we have 0.10 thousand commits, so yeah, 03:07.000 --> 03:10.000 lot of development still happens. 03:12.000 --> 03:16.000 So here also some don't lot stats that I got a few days ago, 03:16.000 --> 03:20.000 like, for the only sets, that's not like, 03:20.000 --> 03:23.000 since forever, even for the 2.10 release, 03:23.000 --> 03:26.000 complete just for the last install of Windows, 03:26.000 --> 03:28.000 which is itself, 03:28.000 --> 03:35.000 a revision of the 2.1038 version. 03:35.000 --> 03:38.000 We had 7 million downloads of the, 03:38.000 --> 03:40.000 this just is installer. 03:40.000 --> 03:44.000 And for the macOS version, 03:44.000 --> 03:53.000 we had, like, 428 thousand for the 1x86, 03:53.000 --> 03:56.000 and on the R1, 700, and so on. 03:56.000 --> 03:59.000 So it's a lot of downloads every day. 03:59.000 --> 04:03.000 So it's still very active. 04:03.000 --> 04:06.000 And if any of you wants to say something, 04:06.000 --> 04:11.000 and just, just, so it's still, 04:11.000 --> 04:16.000 but running, going out a lot of activity, 04:16.000 --> 04:18.000 and a lot of people don't know anything, 04:18.000 --> 04:21.000 but the big stuff is KimP3. 04:21.000 --> 04:25.000 Okay, that's coming very soon. 04:25.000 --> 04:29.000 So, one of the main, 04:29.000 --> 04:34.000 I mean, but the most well-known part of KimP3 04:34.000 --> 04:36.000 is we're putting to this case, 04:36.000 --> 04:39.000 that's what people know about KimP3. 04:39.000 --> 04:43.000 It's not the only thing, but that's one of the things. 04:43.000 --> 04:48.000 Which means a lot of nice stuff, 04:48.000 --> 04:50.000 like, for graphics tablets, it's very good, 04:50.000 --> 04:53.000 because we have a better support of tablets. 04:54.000 --> 04:58.000 It's still a bit crappy in-game, 04:58.000 --> 05:01.000 but GDK3 allows better touch support, 05:01.000 --> 05:04.000 so that's something we will work on, 05:04.000 --> 05:08.000 and we could not work at all on the KimP2 series. 05:08.000 --> 05:11.000 Tablet, part interactions, 05:11.000 --> 05:14.000 it's like something, especially with folks on the well-owned, 05:14.000 --> 05:17.000 which we can map on, 05:17.000 --> 05:20.000 on some user actions of tablet pads, 05:20.000 --> 05:23.000 patterns, 05:23.000 --> 05:27.000 that's kind of high pixel density supports, 05:27.000 --> 05:31.000 you know, like, when you have a fork here, 05:31.000 --> 05:33.000 on small laptops or something like that, 05:33.000 --> 05:35.000 and it was on the two series, 05:35.000 --> 05:37.000 it would be very small icons, 05:37.000 --> 05:39.000 but now it works better, 05:39.000 --> 05:43.000 well-owned support for Linux. 05:43.000 --> 05:48.000 So, the second, very big stuff we work on, 05:48.000 --> 05:50.000 the topic we work is space, 05:50.000 --> 05:52.000 but we call space invasion. 05:52.000 --> 05:57.000 So, internal code name, 05:57.000 --> 06:00.000 which is about call space, 06:00.000 --> 06:03.000 basically more correct calls, 06:03.000 --> 06:06.000 because, like, there was a time 06:06.000 --> 06:08.000 when, like, in the world, 06:08.000 --> 06:11.000 graphics interest rate was SRGB, 06:11.000 --> 06:13.000 and, 06:14.000 --> 06:18.000 as everyone else, in graphics, 06:18.000 --> 06:20.000 has left this world, 06:20.000 --> 06:23.000 now it can be only RGB, 06:23.000 --> 06:26.000 and, so, it's, 06:26.000 --> 06:28.000 the space invasion is not a three, 06:28.000 --> 06:29.000 only, and it's, 06:29.000 --> 06:31.000 it's started before, 06:31.000 --> 06:33.000 in 2010, 06:33.000 --> 06:35.000 you only are beating to eight, 06:35.000 --> 06:36.000 and it will continue after it's, 06:36.000 --> 06:38.000 like, a wrong running project, 06:38.000 --> 06:40.000 basically improving how we are, 06:40.000 --> 06:43.000 the core colors, what are colors, 06:43.000 --> 06:45.000 and so on. 06:45.000 --> 06:46.000 And, 06:46.000 --> 06:47.000 patterns, this is, like, 06:47.000 --> 06:49.000 we are moving a lot of, 06:49.000 --> 06:50.000 um, 06:50.000 --> 06:51.000 uh, 06:51.000 --> 06:53.000 claw management, 06:53.000 --> 06:54.000 I mean, not like, 06:54.000 --> 06:55.000 like, 06:55.000 --> 06:58.000 a claw handling code to, 06:58.000 --> 07:00.000 also projects, 07:00.000 --> 07:01.000 which also give, 07:01.000 --> 07:02.000 made project, 07:02.000 --> 07:03.000 give project, 07:03.000 --> 07:04.000 but, 07:04.000 --> 07:06.000 it's, second called base, 07:06.000 --> 07:07.000 in particular, 07:08.000 --> 07:09.000 and uh, 07:09.000 --> 07:10.000 bubble. 07:10.000 --> 07:12.000 Bubble is a part about 07:12.000 --> 07:13.000 color conversion, 07:13.000 --> 07:14.000 and, 07:14.000 --> 07:15.000 and, 07:15.000 --> 07:16.000 and the, 07:16.000 --> 07:19.000 and the, 07:19.000 --> 07:20.000 and the, 07:20.000 --> 07:21.000 and the, 07:21.000 --> 07:22.000 and, 07:22.000 --> 07:24.000 and, 07:24.000 --> 07:26.000 and, 07:26.000 --> 07:30.000 And, 07:30.000 --> 07:32.000 and the, 07:32.000 --> 07:34.000 and the, 07:34.000 --> 07:35.000 and, 07:35.000 --> 07:36.000 and, 07:36.000 --> 07:41.000 as the core enzymes to handle images in GIMP. 07:41.000 --> 07:48.000 And a lot of cord is moving there, which means also it's easier to maintain. 07:48.000 --> 07:51.000 GIMP is a lot easier to maintain the mic cause. 07:51.000 --> 07:56.000 And it's also a lot to have when I see color correctness. 07:56.000 --> 08:03.000 So more correct cause because if we had a lot of pieces in the cord where we had to make custom cause 08:03.000 --> 08:10.000 and they were bugs and everything but this is one place which we know and there's it well for all of GIMP. 08:10.000 --> 08:19.000 So, so we have a lot of UX improvements to GIMP. 08:19.000 --> 08:29.000 Like one of the big stuff, which cools him basic was like we can have multiple active layers. 08:29.000 --> 08:33.000 You can select several layers until now you have to select one layer. 08:33.000 --> 08:39.000 So when you had 100 layers and when you wanted to move them to a group you had to do it one by one basis. 08:39.000 --> 08:44.000 And so it seems like a basic stuff, it could have been. 08:44.000 --> 08:50.000 But since our core base is very old like 30 old. 08:50.000 --> 08:56.000 Well, the whole core base was expecting for everything just one layer being selected. 08:56.000 --> 09:01.000 So yeah a lot of stuff had to change to say no actually from now on. 09:01.000 --> 09:03.000 We could have more. 09:03.000 --> 09:07.000 And the floating selection that's for people who use GIMP a lot. 09:07.000 --> 09:12.000 So as this stuff which kind of I think maybe only GIMP has this concept of floating selection. 09:12.000 --> 09:15.000 When you do copy paste or this kind of stuff. 09:15.000 --> 09:19.000 And a lot of big enough especially where some people really love it. 09:19.000 --> 09:25.000 So when we kind of removed or maybe less clear. 09:26.000 --> 09:29.000 Some people were not happy that I want my floating selections. 09:29.000 --> 09:34.000 But for beginners is usually. 09:34.000 --> 09:36.000 It's confusing the config concepts. 09:36.000 --> 09:43.000 Well, easier stuff proofing and welcome dialogue where we can show information because. 09:43.000 --> 09:44.000 A lot of people will are. 09:44.000 --> 09:47.000 Yeah, I was a GIMP way what do I do now. 09:47.000 --> 09:50.000 So. 09:50.000 --> 09:53.000 A lot of file formats improvements also. 09:53.000 --> 09:55.000 We have several contributors. 09:55.000 --> 09:58.000 We'll have to work with what formats is this. 09:58.000 --> 10:01.000 Even like but BMP which is a weird one in there. 10:01.000 --> 10:05.000 But even BMP we discover like like a few months ago that. 10:05.000 --> 10:07.000 Even this can be improved. 10:07.000 --> 10:10.000 Like we have contributors this day with. 10:10.000 --> 10:12.000 We've been improving a lot. 10:12.000 --> 10:14.000 BMP support for like a high bit depth and everything. 10:14.000 --> 10:18.000 And it's it's kind of funny that you can still walk on all for that. 10:18.000 --> 10:21.000 And also also brand new formats. 10:22.000 --> 10:24.000 Which are coming this day. 10:24.000 --> 10:29.000 And Bc7 on DDS like game maker community. 10:29.000 --> 10:34.000 That's something that we have been asking us a lot about this last year. 10:34.000 --> 10:37.000 Like I was DDS and I want Bc7. 10:37.000 --> 10:41.000 Approximately to format use a lot by. 10:41.000 --> 10:43.000 Gamemakers. 10:43.000 --> 10:47.000 And if it is something used for space photography. 10:48.000 --> 10:51.000 And TF is used like for everything. 10:51.000 --> 10:55.000 Like we have people doing medical devices with TF. 10:55.000 --> 10:57.000 And we have a lot of the map makers community. 10:57.000 --> 10:59.000 They use TF a lot. 10:59.000 --> 11:04.000 So also the geoteaf is like some kind of metadata which we kind of handles now. 11:04.000 --> 11:05.000 So. 11:05.000 --> 11:08.000 So yeah. 11:08.000 --> 11:12.000 And a big thing which was not supposed originally. 11:13.000 --> 11:15.000 To come in game 3-0. 11:15.000 --> 11:17.000 Wanted to get it later. 11:17.000 --> 11:21.000 But we got it in 3-0 because we had someone who started to work on it. 11:21.000 --> 11:23.000 Just how it works. 11:23.000 --> 11:24.000 It's like I think. 11:24.000 --> 11:26.000 I mean we had layer effects already. 11:26.000 --> 11:28.000 But that was destructive. 11:28.000 --> 11:33.000 So the world concept of non-destructive editing is basically like. 11:33.000 --> 11:35.000 You don't. 11:35.000 --> 11:38.000 Top of the pixel directly and you can edit twice as a filter. 11:39.000 --> 11:44.000 So say you have you make a blur on your image somewhere. 11:44.000 --> 11:48.000 And you do 100 also edits after this. 11:48.000 --> 11:50.000 You're not going to do 100 edits. 11:50.000 --> 11:52.000 And those. 11:52.000 --> 11:55.000 Which was what you would have had to do. 11:55.000 --> 11:59.000 Or you had to like keep a copy of the original image. 11:59.000 --> 12:05.000 Now you can just edit the settings of your blur and can change it. 12:06.000 --> 12:08.000 Basically or remove the blur afterwards. 12:08.000 --> 12:12.000 And that's that's something that's. 12:12.000 --> 12:16.000 Yeah that's something which is a very very. 12:16.000 --> 12:19.000 Requested by which which has been very. 12:19.000 --> 12:21.000 Regress is a lot. 12:21.000 --> 12:23.000 A lot of people. 12:23.000 --> 12:28.000 Yeah like extending game that's something which is not. 12:28.000 --> 12:31.000 Visible by. 12:31.000 --> 12:34.000 Many angels. 12:34.000 --> 12:37.000 Some. 12:37.000 --> 12:41.000 It's not always. 12:41.000 --> 12:43.000 Oh sorry sorry. 12:43.000 --> 12:47.000 Yeah so it's it doesn't always look the most sexy. 12:47.000 --> 12:51.000 Picture but actually we a lot of work has been on the API. 12:51.000 --> 12:53.000 So basically libraries for. 12:53.000 --> 12:55.000 Plugins. 12:55.000 --> 13:00.000 We have a lot of people making plugins and the API in. 13:00.000 --> 13:05.000 Gimpsry is a lot better. 13:05.000 --> 13:07.000 And we are also. 13:07.000 --> 13:12.000 Paving the way with this to future improvement like macros and everything because our. 13:12.000 --> 13:16.000 Now plugins we have a lot of system where we can remember. 13:16.000 --> 13:18.000 The last. 13:18.000 --> 13:23.000 Aguments made with a plugin even when it was called. 13:23.000 --> 13:26.000 Interactively with the dialogue and everything. 13:26.000 --> 13:32.000 This is a UI automation making dialogue automatically for our plugin. 13:32.000 --> 13:36.000 With that people having to write ticket codes themselves. 13:36.000 --> 13:41.000 So like we had plugins where we had like 1,000 lines changing one line. 13:41.000 --> 13:42.000 Basically. 13:42.000 --> 13:43.000 So. 13:43.000 --> 13:48.000 And so we have a lot more big things because so that's for people who know a bit. 13:48.000 --> 13:51.000 Okay and I'll delete. 13:51.000 --> 13:54.000 We have geo job direct inspections now. 13:54.000 --> 13:56.000 So basically only. 13:56.000 --> 13:59.000 Only language supported by geoget. 13:59.000 --> 14:02.000 Spection becomes a building in camp. 14:02.000 --> 14:07.000 One of the most used one is pit on three but python three but so. 14:07.000 --> 14:09.000 We will have we have demo plugins already of. 14:09.000 --> 14:12.000 We have a script for. 14:12.000 --> 14:13.000 And. 14:13.000 --> 14:15.000 And the gigal operations. 14:16.000 --> 14:19.000 So basically when you want to make filters. 14:19.000 --> 14:26.000 It's used to be like people who make plugins but now we say you should make gag operations because it brings stuff like. 14:26.000 --> 14:32.000 Unconvast preview directly or even like the curtain where you can have. 14:32.000 --> 14:35.000 See without and with on the same image. 14:35.000 --> 14:37.000 The effect. 14:37.000 --> 14:39.000 Okay and we have a very good. 14:40.000 --> 14:45.000 And actually this this screenshot is not even perfect because it's only the game repository. 14:45.000 --> 14:47.000 But if we had the. 14:47.000 --> 14:50.000 Babel gigal where we should also kind of give. 14:50.000 --> 14:52.000 I was saying. 14:52.000 --> 14:55.000 We will have people also the top. 14:55.000 --> 15:00.000 With a partner of Babel gigal if we had documentation. 15:01.000 --> 15:03.000 Project repository. 15:03.000 --> 15:04.000 We will have a. 15:04.000 --> 15:06.000 Well nest Jacob. 15:06.000 --> 15:07.000 Uh. 15:07.000 --> 15:08.000 Uh. 15:08.000 --> 15:12.000 We'll be also very high because he's a man of our documentation and there's a lot of. 15:12.000 --> 15:13.000 Forks to. 15:13.000 --> 15:14.000 And. 15:14.000 --> 15:18.000 Yeah, we have a few as a repository like this which are very important in the game. 15:18.000 --> 15:19.000 Basically. 15:19.000 --> 15:21.000 And then. 15:21.000 --> 15:23.000 And yeah, we got also back at. 15:23.000 --> 15:25.000 We got some of got a few years ago. 15:25.000 --> 15:27.000 And it kind of walks out. 15:28.000 --> 15:29.000 And because. 15:29.000 --> 15:32.000 Gimp used to to participate 10 years ago. 15:32.000 --> 15:33.000 Maybe. 15:33.000 --> 15:34.000 And the. 15:34.000 --> 15:35.000 And kind of stopped. 15:35.000 --> 15:36.000 And like three years ago. 15:36.000 --> 15:38.000 I think we tried again. 15:38.000 --> 15:39.000 Okay. 15:39.000 --> 15:40.000 So that's good. 15:40.000 --> 15:43.000 That's been kind of good also for for the project. 15:43.000 --> 15:45.000 We had some new contributors like this. 15:45.000 --> 15:46.000 And. 15:46.000 --> 15:50.000 So where we we had already two. 15:51.000 --> 15:52.000 Excellent. 15:52.000 --> 15:53.000 And yet yeah. 15:54.000 --> 15:57.000 Like you know, you. 15:57.000 --> 16:00.000 Really safe. 16:00.000 --> 16:02.000 Coming back here. 16:02.000 --> 16:03.000 And well, right this, 16:03.000 --> 16:05.000 So that's not that. 16:05.000 --> 16:06.000 Yes. 16:06.000 --> 16:07.000 You know, let's see, 16:07.000 --> 16:09.000 five or six months. 16:09.000 --> 16:11.000 We found an a, 16:11.000 --> 16:13.000 A. 16:13.000 --> 16:16.000 and a. 16:16.000 --> 16:17.000 One. 16:17.000 --> 16:19.000 You're going 16:19.000 --> 16:24.000 I hope so. This should be very, very soon. 16:24.000 --> 16:29.000 Then we have actual final GIMP 3 is 0, 0. 16:29.000 --> 16:34.000 Okay. So. 16:34.000 --> 16:38.000 So the future. So there's a lot of run maps. 16:38.000 --> 16:40.000 So there's something which is in GIMP. 16:40.000 --> 16:43.000 It's like community I will come back to this. 16:43.000 --> 16:49.000 And so the roadmap is mostly what current contributors are interested in. 16:49.000 --> 16:54.000 So it can it's free. It can change anytime. 16:54.000 --> 16:58.000 If, for instance, if we lose a contributor or if someone is not interested anymore, 16:58.000 --> 17:02.000 or if we have new contributors or new interest, it always changed. 17:02.000 --> 17:04.000 It's regression like currently like. 17:04.000 --> 17:09.000 So none of these activities like there's a lot of like link layers, layers, 17:09.000 --> 17:13.000 which is at something we already have code demos, 17:13.000 --> 17:20.000 demo codes about it, which I wrote about layers, which are linked to actual file. 17:20.000 --> 17:30.000 Outside the file, the ECF file, or vector layers, also something which also we have some code. 17:30.000 --> 17:36.000 Yes, like still like a lot of very, very nice stuff brewing. 17:37.000 --> 17:43.000 More space invasion. It's still working progress and it will probably be easier for a long time. 17:43.000 --> 17:46.000 More UX improvement I'll come back to this. 17:46.000 --> 17:49.000 Some we have two contributors were working. 17:49.000 --> 17:53.000 We've been working a lot in even industry actually for text reports. 17:53.000 --> 18:02.000 And eventually we hope we can even review the text tool, which in GIMP is not so good. 18:03.000 --> 18:08.000 I mean it's good, but it could be a lot better. 18:08.000 --> 18:14.000 Yeah, extension concept, which we want to have a platform where people like it. 18:14.000 --> 18:19.000 Like on firefox you can in such plugins and install them with one click, 18:19.000 --> 18:25.000 that's something we want to work on, because right now plugins like people go on a virus website. 18:25.000 --> 18:28.000 You don't know what's really your downloading from it. 18:28.000 --> 18:31.000 You just want to see and then how do you put it. 18:31.000 --> 18:33.000 You have to change permissions of the file. 18:33.000 --> 18:39.000 That's going to stop. So we want to make it a lot easier to find and install. 18:39.000 --> 18:43.000 Yeah, like, okay, that's a lot of stuff. 18:59.000 --> 19:04.000 I can't. I don't know enough about it. 19:04.000 --> 19:28.000 Okay, so it actually is the last baby of Pippin. 19:28.000 --> 19:33.000 Did I? 19:33.000 --> 19:42.000 Ctx. 19:42.000 --> 19:46.000 Oh, it's got where you why you didn't. 19:46.000 --> 19:57.000 Okay, maybe it's on another. 19:57.000 --> 19:59.000 Why? 19:59.000 --> 20:07.000 Yeah, okay. 20:07.000 --> 20:16.000 So it's so beautiful with dialogue, that is it. 20:16.000 --> 20:19.000 Okay. 20:19.000 --> 20:24.000 Later on. 20:25.000 --> 20:33.000 So as you can see, we have never tried this when projecting the screen. 20:33.000 --> 20:37.000 Yeah, sorry. I didn't even recompile again for whatever. 20:37.000 --> 20:41.000 But it was walking just like yesterday evening. 20:41.000 --> 20:44.000 I don't see the stuff. 20:44.000 --> 20:49.000 Yeah, yesterday being 2 a.m. this morning. 20:49.000 --> 20:56.000 But there's not here either. 20:56.000 --> 21:03.000 Why isn't it going out? 21:03.000 --> 21:05.000 Okay, I'm so. 21:05.000 --> 21:08.000 Okay, I'll just keep it. 21:08.000 --> 21:13.000 Sorry, we have to skip this. 21:14.000 --> 21:20.000 Okay, let's, let's, let's come mirror the screen. 21:20.000 --> 21:28.000 Let's just start to speak. 21:28.000 --> 21:31.000 Yeah, but that's not the premise. 21:31.000 --> 21:34.000 It's a song. 21:35.000 --> 21:42.000 I don't know why it doesn't. 21:42.000 --> 21:46.000 Okay, that's supposed to be impressive. 21:46.000 --> 21:51.000 Okay, sorry, that's, yeah. 22:05.000 --> 22:08.000 Okay, sorry. 22:08.000 --> 22:10.000 Why? 22:10.000 --> 22:12.000 Okay. 22:12.000 --> 22:16.000 So, I just explained just a bit. 22:16.000 --> 22:21.000 CTX is a new baby of a peepin, a bubble, a gigalmatma, 22:21.000 --> 22:26.000 and it's doing a lot of stuff, especially in the vector area. 22:26.000 --> 22:30.000 And for vector rendering and everything. 22:31.000 --> 22:34.000 We had a very cool demo, which we had last. 22:34.000 --> 22:37.000 A lot of stuff moving on the canvas and everything. 22:37.000 --> 22:38.000 And it should work. 22:38.000 --> 22:41.000 That's, that's, I don't understand. 22:41.000 --> 22:42.000 So, yeah. 22:42.000 --> 22:45.000 So, not everything is called. 22:45.000 --> 22:49.000 So, we have a new logo for GIMP. 22:49.000 --> 22:51.000 And if you notice, it's slightly different. 22:51.000 --> 22:55.000 So, it was made by an adium here with the rest of the team. 22:55.000 --> 23:00.000 So, she did the project and it's more like a flat, 23:00.000 --> 23:04.000 like more modern style logos. 23:04.000 --> 23:08.000 So, that was the old one, which is also very cool. 23:08.000 --> 23:11.000 So, made by Jacob's timer. 23:11.000 --> 23:13.000 You know, with gradients and everything. 23:13.000 --> 23:16.000 I'm like kind of a really fake, really style. 23:16.000 --> 23:20.000 And that's a new one, simpler and flat. 23:20.000 --> 23:24.000 Which kind of has some kind of success, it seems. 23:24.000 --> 23:29.000 So, it's also something else that we are working on design team. 23:29.000 --> 23:33.000 We are getting more and more people interested in, like, 23:33.000 --> 23:36.000 doing design stuff. 23:36.000 --> 23:39.000 And so, we may also a repository. 23:39.000 --> 23:44.000 So, for, to have like a proper place to discuss design improvements 23:44.000 --> 23:47.000 instead of being mixed with bug reports and everything on the 23:47.000 --> 23:51.000 main repository, there are like a dedicated place, 23:51.000 --> 23:57.000 which makes it very much nicer for them. 23:57.000 --> 24:04.000 So, you can go on this repository if you want to, to help. 24:04.000 --> 24:08.000 If you are ideas, if you have design propositions, 24:08.000 --> 24:11.000 and if you want to participate in good discussions. 24:12.000 --> 24:14.000 So, versioning. 24:14.000 --> 24:16.000 I was saying earlier in 2010, 24:16.000 --> 24:21.000 we went to, like, a system, 24:21.000 --> 24:25.000 whereas, like, or even on micropoint releases. 24:25.000 --> 24:29.000 We had new features, but we kind of go back to, 24:29.000 --> 24:35.000 to like, more common kind of semantic versioning, 24:35.000 --> 24:39.000 which is microponferies, bug fixes only. 24:39.000 --> 24:43.000 But, which, which, which change that we just released, 24:43.000 --> 24:46.000 faster, the minor point releases. 24:46.000 --> 24:48.000 So, basically, three, two, 24:48.000 --> 24:51.000 it won't be in six or eight years. 24:51.000 --> 24:54.000 So, hopefully in six or one year. 24:54.000 --> 24:58.000 Six, sorry, six months or one year or something like that. 24:58.000 --> 25:01.000 So, it could be, like, less features, 25:01.000 --> 25:05.000 per minor point release, but faster, 25:05.000 --> 25:10.000 as we did the microponferies, but then we have this versioning, 25:10.000 --> 25:13.000 which kind of nicer. 25:13.000 --> 25:16.000 A lot of infrastructure contribution, also lately. 25:16.000 --> 25:20.000 We have some contributor, which, one particular, 25:20.000 --> 25:22.000 but, which is doing a lot. 25:22.000 --> 25:25.000 But, they also, a few other, which helps in biosarias, 25:25.000 --> 25:30.000 and we have more packages, and much better continuous integration, 25:30.000 --> 25:33.000 and the code to manage packages and everything. 25:34.000 --> 25:37.000 And, more testing, also, file, some, 25:37.000 --> 25:39.000 also, file should be testing. 25:39.000 --> 25:46.000 This is work by Jakob, which, it is a very great work on it. 25:46.000 --> 25:49.000 And, also, Jakob is a documentation project. 25:49.000 --> 25:51.000 It took maintenance of it. 25:51.000 --> 25:54.000 It was kind of kind of dying at some point for a few years, 25:54.000 --> 25:56.000 but now it's, it's really working well. 25:56.000 --> 25:58.000 They do a lot of stuff. 25:58.000 --> 26:01.000 A new developers website, a new nice, 26:01.000 --> 26:05.000 new little bit infrastructure with 59 murals. 26:05.000 --> 26:07.000 So here are the murals. 26:07.000 --> 26:09.000 So it's kind of condensed stuff, 26:09.000 --> 26:12.000 so there should be a lot of pointy views. 26:12.000 --> 26:16.000 A lot of them are, I'm American, and a new year-end, 26:16.000 --> 26:18.000 but they are quite a few now in Azure too. 26:18.000 --> 26:21.000 And, yeah. 26:21.000 --> 26:24.000 So, a lot of books have been reported, 26:24.000 --> 26:28.000 and someone like recently kind of updated, 26:28.000 --> 26:32.800 a book's page, so like, that's our new splash, 26:32.800 --> 26:37.080 which is coming up for Game3 by a good contributor, 26:37.080 --> 26:39.800 which is a round of seven eggs. 26:41.680 --> 26:44.560 It's huge, so we have very interesting stuff, 26:44.560 --> 26:46.200 I've once sensed someone told me that. 26:46.200 --> 26:50.800 Oh yeah, GamePas has been used on a research project, 26:50.800 --> 26:53.440 which went on the cover page of Natuio, 26:53.440 --> 26:57.640 which apparently is a big magazine in science. 26:57.640 --> 27:00.680 So, you know, there are a few such issues, 27:00.680 --> 27:03.880 like, called Art Floss from the Youngest House, 27:03.880 --> 27:07.520 are most similar, so they were the article, 27:07.520 --> 27:11.720 and they said GamePins, the article, and everything. 27:11.720 --> 27:14.200 So, we have people like telling us some reports, 27:14.200 --> 27:17.480 like, that they are creating a medical device, 27:17.480 --> 27:20.680 and so we had a burger, 27:20.680 --> 27:24.480 kind of picture more, we had to implement for teeth, 27:24.480 --> 27:28.160 because they needed better teeth support, 27:28.160 --> 27:29.760 or like, recently someone said, 27:29.760 --> 27:32.120 I mean, he's also doing, like, 27:33.280 --> 27:36.680 master thesis on dwarf galaxy detection, 27:36.680 --> 27:38.600 and he says he used GamePilot, 27:38.600 --> 27:41.040 and it's not anecdotals, so he wants to sit it well, 27:41.040 --> 27:43.040 so he asked us how to sit it well, 27:43.040 --> 27:48.040 and so, what are very interesting usage? 27:48.760 --> 27:52.040 So, this last point, which kind of organized, 27:52.040 --> 27:54.600 I will also have well, in the name, 27:54.600 --> 27:58.520 meaning a sense of being a proper organization. 27:59.600 --> 28:02.080 So, one of the things that we are working on for name, 28:02.080 --> 28:06.600 we are clear, is work, which took years, 28:07.600 --> 28:09.640 so to uphold the community, 28:09.640 --> 28:13.760 and to fund development, and more. 28:13.760 --> 28:18.760 So, so for this, we created a game committee, 28:19.720 --> 28:22.960 which managed to fund and vote decisions. 28:24.880 --> 28:26.120 So, that's the name. 28:26.120 --> 28:31.120 There are all long-term contributors like 20 years, 28:31.640 --> 28:36.640 or more like, all of us are from the game committee, 28:36.840 --> 28:40.280 and we have a few others for more all of us, 28:40.280 --> 28:43.720 and like, yeah, so somehow, 28:43.960 --> 28:48.720 a can of, for instance, she wrote books, 28:48.800 --> 28:52.520 two books about GamePilotals on 6 and 2008, 28:52.520 --> 28:54.080 what's the name of the book? 28:54.080 --> 28:55.520 I didn't write it, I don't remember, 28:55.520 --> 28:59.800 but, so she is doing it for a long time, 28:59.800 --> 29:03.160 she wrote some of the, all of the books on GamePilotals, 29:03.160 --> 29:06.760 and everything, and, yeah, and everybody is like, 29:06.760 --> 29:09.320 Liam is doing a lot of scans of, like, 29:09.320 --> 29:11.440 huge size, and so he's like, 29:12.000 --> 29:14.840 he's always helping other, I see, and everything, 29:14.840 --> 29:17.960 and he has like a real use case of game, 29:17.960 --> 29:20.760 which is kind of heavy use case. 29:20.760 --> 29:23.280 Yeah, Patrick David is doing a lot of photography, 29:23.280 --> 29:28.280 and the village professional designer, 29:28.840 --> 29:31.280 I mean, he walks in, in audiovisual industry. 29:32.600 --> 29:35.240 So, yeah, and, well, 29:35.240 --> 29:40.080 zoom on, zoom on, and, me and, Liam, so, 29:40.080 --> 29:43.160 that's our funds, in the last few years. 29:44.040 --> 29:48.120 That's random plot, because it's, I have to ask each time, 29:48.120 --> 29:51.800 we don't know, good on foundations, 29:51.800 --> 29:55.440 and I get some data, so when I think, oh, how much do we have? 29:55.440 --> 30:00.120 Despite, we, that's why we want to organize, actually, 30:00.120 --> 30:03.840 because we cannot actually spend our funds 30:03.840 --> 30:08.840 in just community, just community needs. 30:11.040 --> 30:14.560 We go to events like this, but we just have too much funds, 30:14.560 --> 30:19.360 like, lately, I think, 70,000 a year of donation 30:19.360 --> 30:22.400 about, you know, like, in the last few years. 30:22.400 --> 30:24.960 So, there's a stuff, there's some people 30:24.960 --> 30:29.960 who may have heard about it, that's, we used to have a Bitcoin wallet, 30:29.960 --> 30:32.400 I mean, we still have it, but we don't, 30:32.400 --> 30:39.240 we've got it against accepting donation in Bitcoin anymore, 30:39.240 --> 30:43.280 because, well, it's, it's not really our stuff. 30:43.280 --> 30:46.640 So, in 2020, we have to, we'll break, 30:46.640 --> 30:51.440 which is one of our internal events from contributors, 30:51.440 --> 30:53.600 we've got it against the opinions, 30:53.600 --> 30:59.600 but we had to use the funds, and I'm not used to be able to use them 30:59.600 --> 31:04.880 because, actually, we don't know what, 31:04.880 --> 31:08.400 we don't know how to use Bitcoin, basically. 31:08.400 --> 31:11.120 It's like, and nobody wants this in their account, 31:11.120 --> 31:12.680 because it's kind of a lot of money, 31:12.680 --> 31:17.680 because it's an only, very, very big kind of wallet, 31:21.840 --> 31:24.080 because people, but they don't want it to give us 31:24.080 --> 31:26.000 because, like, I say, why not, we'll set up, 31:26.000 --> 31:31.520 and, and now we have, like, at least one million, 31:31.520 --> 31:36.640 which we already moved to, to, to, to, to, 31:36.680 --> 31:39.640 to the donation, which is our umbrella Foundation, 31:42.040 --> 31:44.120 a few days ago, and, actually, we have more, 31:44.120 --> 31:46.280 which still needs to move them. 31:47.560 --> 31:50.400 So, so, at the next step, with this funds, 31:50.400 --> 31:53.760 we want to make grants for contributors 31:53.760 --> 31:56.200 where they've got it, in the first two grants already, 31:56.200 --> 31:59.360 but they're not 31:59.360 --> 32:02.600 actually yet they're got it, but they are effective 32:02.600 --> 32:05.520 for one of them is for people, 32:05.520 --> 32:07.600 a bubble and giga on it now. 32:07.600 --> 32:13.320 And the other is for me, the goal is to have more grants. 32:13.320 --> 32:17.800 I think I'll have to help support GIMP as a program. 32:20.240 --> 32:24.120 If things go well, we also have a GIMP 32:24.120 --> 32:25.440 is very community-based. 32:25.440 --> 32:28.280 So we have a habit of helping other projects. 32:28.280 --> 32:33.520 We sometimes, we help with funding for conferences, 32:33.520 --> 32:37.680 such as lab graphics meeting, which the project 32:37.680 --> 32:43.480 helped to co-fund, we even also project 32:43.480 --> 32:45.640 like my pen at some point. 32:45.640 --> 32:48.760 So now we invited him to lab graphics meeting, 32:48.760 --> 32:52.160 and we paid for his trip and he's kind of something. 32:52.160 --> 32:54.720 Because it's an important project, which also 32:54.720 --> 32:57.440 we benefit from. 32:57.440 --> 33:00.600 So it's important for us that everybody is healthy 33:00.600 --> 33:02.800 in such a free software ecosystem. 33:02.800 --> 33:06.160 And that's something we want to do afterwards. 33:06.160 --> 33:08.200 And everything, if people agree, in majority, 33:08.200 --> 33:12.400 that's something we want to be able to do. 33:12.400 --> 33:12.760 Yeah. 33:12.760 --> 33:15.400 And the last point is that the last, because it's 33:15.400 --> 33:18.200 very important, that's GIMP is community-free software. 33:18.200 --> 33:20.400 So it's not just free software. 33:20.400 --> 33:22.200 It's community-free software. 33:22.200 --> 33:25.800 So people are first, and that's something 33:25.800 --> 33:30.000 which we don't, basically, even when we are 33:30.000 --> 33:32.200 going toize ourselves like this, we don't ever want 33:32.200 --> 33:34.800 to go like the GoPro right away. 33:34.800 --> 33:37.480 For us, it's very important that the software is not 33:37.480 --> 33:38.000 first. 33:38.000 --> 33:39.440 It won't ever be first. 33:39.440 --> 33:42.120 Because people are my important. 33:42.120 --> 33:43.120 So yeah. 33:43.120 --> 33:46.320 So more like a friendly neighborhood or something, someone 33:46.320 --> 33:49.320 say the ones and then, yeah. 33:49.320 --> 33:53.840 This is mostly also because sometimes we get 33:53.840 --> 33:59.960 mistaken for being a company or being backed by a company 34:00.200 --> 34:05.800 because people apparently have a hard time realizing 34:05.800 --> 34:08.720 or believing that something like GIMP can be done 34:08.720 --> 34:11.040 without being a company. 34:11.040 --> 34:16.000 So yeah, we found it important to stress that we 34:16.000 --> 34:19.520 are a community project, and we value people over any 34:19.520 --> 34:23.280 corporate processes or whatever you can think of. 34:23.280 --> 34:33.800 OK, it was actually fast because now we are at the questions. 34:33.800 --> 34:38.480 Oh, but I just wanted to point out that actually this year 34:38.480 --> 34:41.480 marks the 30th anniversary of GIMP. 34:41.480 --> 34:44.960 So this is will be coming up at the end of the year. 34:44.960 --> 34:48.720 So we don't really have any ideas yet on how to 34:48.720 --> 34:52.400 promote, present itself to the world. 34:52.400 --> 34:57.920 But I think it's quite a feat to be relevant for more than 34:57.920 --> 34:58.960 up to 30 years. 34:58.960 --> 35:02.640 So I'm proud of that and I'm proud of being part of that 35:02.640 --> 35:03.360 for quite a while now. 35:06.480 --> 35:13.080 I actually ZIMON, because I'm only here in GIMP since 2012. 35:13.080 --> 35:15.400 But ZIMON has been like one of the very early 35:15.400 --> 35:19.960 contributors of GIMP, like before 2007, I think maybe 35:19.960 --> 35:23.320 you're first 97, no? 35:23.320 --> 35:30.040 97, 98, so is one of the very early GIMP developers. 35:30.040 --> 35:31.320 More than a half of his life. 35:34.920 --> 35:38.680 Speakers, and then we can have questions with plenty of time. 35:45.400 --> 35:59.960 Yeah, for the roadmap, for the future, you were talking about XF 35:59.960 --> 36:03.440 extended, if I'm not wrong. 36:03.440 --> 36:13.040 What is men behind extended, XCF extended, no? 36:16.040 --> 36:17.960 XF is a file format. 36:17.960 --> 36:19.080 It's a whole file format. 36:19.080 --> 36:21.800 Yeah, but so you mentioned for the future on extended version, 36:21.800 --> 36:23.320 what do you mean behind? 36:23.320 --> 36:28.840 Yeah, that's basically the like stuff, which a file format, 36:28.840 --> 36:34.840 probably is not for one of the stuff, is for instance, 36:34.840 --> 36:39.000 we want to be able to save much faster files. 36:39.000 --> 36:43.480 Right now, for people who have just 100 layers or something like that, 36:44.040 --> 36:47.560 can be okay, but some people have more and like very big files. 36:47.560 --> 36:52.840 And then if it takes 20 seconds to save, it's annoying. 36:52.840 --> 36:56.760 So we want to have something maybe a Google based, 36:56.760 --> 36:58.360 which saved directly Google profiles. 36:58.360 --> 37:00.840 So it could be an all-in-stand, this kind of stuff. 37:00.840 --> 37:05.880 And also, someone of my, as you will see in the next talk, 37:05.880 --> 37:10.440 one of our proud stuff is animation also. 37:10.520 --> 37:15.720 And I want to file format also, which where we can load parts of the file 37:15.720 --> 37:21.000 only, not everything, and because you cannot load a full animation in memory. 37:21.000 --> 37:26.600 Right now, the XF is like one binary file, which you load all at once. 37:26.600 --> 37:34.280 So it will not work for that well for like some very, very huge images, 37:34.280 --> 37:35.560 and this kind of stuff. 37:36.280 --> 37:42.120 And I like to add from a technical point of view, 37:42.120 --> 37:46.760 XF is, is extensible. 37:46.760 --> 37:50.760 It's also versioned, like we have been a few versioning creases 37:50.760 --> 37:54.280 to be XF file format over the years. 37:54.280 --> 37:59.160 And it's also documented in the developers section of our website. 37:59.160 --> 38:05.960 So it's not some just gimp-only work, only format. 38:05.960 --> 38:14.520 It's documented, it's probably what you call properties or tags in TIF. 38:14.520 --> 38:16.120 Something similar like that. 38:16.120 --> 38:17.720 It's not TIF. 38:17.720 --> 38:23.560 But yeah, it also in theory, other applications could use it. 38:23.560 --> 38:28.360 Could, for example, you could write or try to write a simple renderer 38:28.440 --> 38:30.200 for like previewing it. 38:30.200 --> 38:33.160 And yeah, it's going to be extensible. 38:33.160 --> 38:34.600 It's going to be extended. 38:34.600 --> 38:36.440 I think this was your question. 38:36.440 --> 38:38.360 Did I get it right? 38:38.360 --> 38:40.840 OK. 38:40.840 --> 38:43.320 Actually, just about also project using it, 38:43.320 --> 38:48.600 when all the stuff we want to do is moving the code of XF, 38:48.600 --> 38:50.520 loading and saving out of gimp, 38:50.520 --> 38:52.120 maybe basically have a library. 38:52.120 --> 38:56.360 Lib XF for other projects, because that's very 38:56.360 --> 38:59.480 common creation, like other people, they have to re-implement. 38:59.480 --> 39:04.520 So it's all documented, but they still have to re-implement the format. 39:04.520 --> 39:09.480 So basically, if we had a smaller library, which just does this, 39:09.480 --> 39:12.600 any project which wants to load XF, we'll do it, 39:12.600 --> 39:17.720 we'll do it basically perfectly. 39:17.720 --> 39:21.160 OK, a quick question. 39:21.160 --> 39:22.760 Gimp, for it's me. 39:22.760 --> 39:25.720 I'm Alex Chopov. 39:25.720 --> 39:30.280 Gimp, at least, hopefully, coming soon, soon, soon. 39:30.280 --> 39:33.320 But from the viewpoint of a translator, 39:33.320 --> 39:39.240 we need some sort of warning when the new testing release 39:39.240 --> 39:41.480 or the new releases being cut. 39:41.480 --> 39:45.800 So we can submit translations before the cut of date. 39:45.800 --> 39:48.840 Is there a place to follow to see that? 39:49.800 --> 39:57.000 I think you don't, maybe we must put the microphone closer to your mouse. 39:57.000 --> 40:03.000 I'm not sure if I understood anything. 40:03.000 --> 40:03.720 Sorry. 40:03.720 --> 40:08.440 OK, let me try to, is it clear better now? 40:08.440 --> 40:11.240 Do you hear me loud enough? 40:11.240 --> 40:15.480 OK, from the viewpoint of a translator, 40:15.480 --> 40:18.680 translating the gimp interface. 40:19.080 --> 40:21.960 There are a lot of strings. 40:21.960 --> 40:27.800 We need a way to be warned when the next release is coming. 40:27.800 --> 40:33.800 So yes, so we can organize and prioritize the work 40:33.800 --> 40:37.320 in order to be included in the next release. 40:37.320 --> 40:41.720 Is there a place to follow a calendar published? 40:41.720 --> 40:46.840 Well, there is a repository, GitLab. 40:46.840 --> 40:54.600 We don't put exact date because we kind of walk with a flow. 40:54.600 --> 40:57.320 But the next release will be very soon. 40:57.320 --> 41:05.880 But I mean, the release candidate is probably a few days away. 41:05.880 --> 41:09.080 The final one, hopefully, just a few weeks away, 41:09.080 --> 41:11.160 unless we find big issues. 41:11.160 --> 41:15.480 But then that's, we cannot give you exact dates. 41:15.480 --> 41:18.440 And it will be tagged on GitLab, anyways. 41:18.440 --> 41:25.160 So if you follow GitLab, when it's out, it will be, 41:25.160 --> 41:29.400 it will be that we don't have more accurate information. 41:29.400 --> 41:34.600 And if I understood you correctly, you are asking about that. 41:34.600 --> 41:39.800 If certain changes to be interface are going to prioritize, 41:39.800 --> 41:40.800 really? 41:40.800 --> 41:44.280 So this is what we are going to give you x-project. 41:44.280 --> 41:48.360 We, which was a slide for a barcode, was about. 41:48.360 --> 41:53.880 We have someone called Dennis Rangelov, who is taking on 41:53.880 --> 42:00.120 the role of weak user interface or user experience designer. 42:00.120 --> 42:03.160 And he is collecting all the ideas which are going to shape 42:03.160 --> 42:05.880 future interfaces of game. 42:05.880 --> 42:08.840 And there's some prioritizing going on. 42:08.920 --> 42:12.600 When you still have the problem or the fortune 42:12.600 --> 42:15.640 of having volunteers working on them, 42:15.640 --> 42:18.760 so you can't exactly determine them. 42:18.760 --> 42:20.760 But we are trying to. 42:20.760 --> 42:23.480 OK. 42:23.480 --> 42:25.960 So I'm walking to another person I'll ask a question. 42:25.960 --> 42:29.160 So if I understand correctly, with GIMP 2.8, 42:29.160 --> 42:32.280 all the editing was being done in RGB color space. 42:32.280 --> 42:36.280 And with GIMP 3 doesn't it's similar? 42:36.280 --> 42:38.840 Just we'll have this layer for translating 42:38.840 --> 42:40.120 to other color spaces. 42:40.120 --> 42:41.560 This is that correct. 42:41.560 --> 42:43.640 And if so, are you actually going to, 42:43.640 --> 42:48.280 at some point, try to make GIMP work fully in one of the L spaces? 42:48.280 --> 42:51.640 So like make it fully color managed? 42:51.640 --> 42:52.680 OK. 42:52.680 --> 42:57.000 Maybe it's maybe the speakers going on the other run 42:57.000 --> 42:58.840 and these referable versions or something, 42:58.840 --> 43:00.200 but I didn't understand. 43:00.200 --> 43:03.400 I think it was about GIMP 2.8. 43:03.400 --> 43:05.240 We only had SLGB. 43:05.720 --> 43:11.480 And the question was, are we going to support a color management? 43:11.480 --> 43:14.840 And I think we answered the answer to, 43:14.840 --> 43:17.880 yeah, we are going, we are aiming for full color management. 43:17.880 --> 43:22.920 We are aiming for support of larger color spaces. 43:22.920 --> 43:27.000 I'm, unfortunately, I'm really not an expert in this. 43:27.000 --> 43:30.840 There's other people who basically can explain this, 43:30.840 --> 43:34.280 like, before we move behind it. 43:34.280 --> 43:37.640 So I think we showed answer to your question. 43:37.640 --> 43:40.520 Yes, we are going to do better color management 43:40.520 --> 43:46.840 and working on color space support improvements. 43:46.840 --> 43:51.720 Actually, for RGB, not as RGB, but only RGB. 43:51.720 --> 43:54.680 We already basically support only RGB. 43:54.680 --> 43:58.920 So like, you can have a profile and everything. 43:58.920 --> 44:04.120 And for display, it may still be displayed 44:04.120 --> 44:07.480 in eight people. 44:07.480 --> 44:10.040 So the processing will still be higher, 44:10.040 --> 44:12.360 but this display, depending on the place 44:12.360 --> 44:15.400 because I think we have some place where you have to change 44:15.400 --> 44:17.160 to have support when you have, you know, 44:17.160 --> 44:21.400 like now there are 10 or 12 pixel 44:21.400 --> 44:26.680 displays, but channel but pixel, yeah. 44:26.680 --> 44:29.720 And after this, we want to have support also for, 44:29.720 --> 44:33.080 because support for CMYK, so an image group, CMYK, 44:33.080 --> 44:40.200 or even spot colors, or maybe lab color space. 44:40.200 --> 44:45.960 And that's already, it's not too hard 44:45.960 --> 44:48.520 to implement in game because it's thanks to Google 44:48.520 --> 44:51.320 and that'll, which already has this support. 44:51.320 --> 44:57.160 So we just have to add the part in the UI. 44:57.160 --> 45:00.360 OK, I'm a long time, casually use sort of games 45:00.360 --> 45:03.720 since I think from the beginning, like mid-90s, 45:03.720 --> 45:05.480 whenever it was released. 45:05.480 --> 45:09.480 And I was wondering about this non-destructive editing. 45:09.480 --> 45:13.320 If I have lots of cable photographs, for example, 45:13.320 --> 45:16.280 and I want to edit some of my digital photographs, 45:16.280 --> 45:19.000 but I don't want to duplicate files. 45:19.000 --> 45:22.040 Will there be, like, a format that can refer 45:22.040 --> 45:24.280 to the file names of the original files, 45:24.280 --> 45:29.480 and then it would save just like the commands that would be executed 45:29.480 --> 45:31.160 to export the image. 45:31.160 --> 45:35.560 Is there something like that being worked on? 45:35.560 --> 45:38.760 I think the speakers go this way or something. 45:38.760 --> 45:40.840 Do you understand the question? 45:40.840 --> 45:46.360 No, if you want to work over, just get the question from the audience. 45:46.360 --> 45:47.960 OK, can you repeat the question? 45:47.960 --> 45:52.360 And without the microphone, OK, sorry. 45:52.360 --> 45:57.720 So if I have a bunch of files, like a playback files, 45:57.720 --> 46:02.680 and I want to, like, manage some colors or do some editing 46:02.680 --> 46:06.720 with layers, and I want to save minimum of these 46:06.720 --> 46:10.040 having the original files, so that the XCF file 46:10.040 --> 46:13.320 would refer to the original files and then have some commands, 46:13.320 --> 46:16.120 execute this, and then you get the final. 46:16.120 --> 46:19.960 Is that what the non-destructive editing would be like, 46:19.960 --> 46:24.440 or would I have to save the original data in the XXF file? 46:24.440 --> 46:25.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 46:25.800 --> 46:29.320 So yeah, non-destructive editing is. 46:29.320 --> 46:36.760 So you will not pause a file, like if it's a GPEG, 46:36.760 --> 46:38.760 or if it's not a GPEG or PNG, we say, 46:38.760 --> 46:43.200 but that's so actual data in pixels, which 46:43.200 --> 46:47.800 is a, but basically it's equivalent. 46:47.800 --> 46:52.840 And yeah, you could have an effect several effects of it, 46:53.800 --> 47:00.680 if you could never touch the file, and still have like 20 effects, 47:00.680 --> 47:04.040 and you will still have the original, yeah. 47:04.040 --> 47:07.640 So that's actually easy to show. 47:23.640 --> 47:26.360 OK, we're running out of time, so we've got one more question 47:26.360 --> 47:29.400 coming, and then you can take the demonstration of line, 47:29.400 --> 47:30.120 if there's possible. 47:41.320 --> 47:44.360 First of all, thank you for all the terrific work 47:44.360 --> 47:46.520 you do on GPEG. 47:46.520 --> 47:50.040 I really look forward to the new features that are outlight 47:50.040 --> 47:52.040 in the first light. 47:52.040 --> 47:57.320 I have some friends who are dying to know, 47:57.320 --> 48:00.440 what is the GIMP stands on an outline shape, too? 48:04.120 --> 48:09.480 In an easy way to draw shapes without lines, 48:09.480 --> 48:14.120 and fill colors, and such. 48:14.120 --> 48:16.760 Yeah, shapes, but just before like here, 48:16.760 --> 48:20.360 point out the blur, and you can just remove the blur. 48:20.360 --> 48:21.720 The data is still here. 48:21.720 --> 48:23.880 So it doesn't touch the original pixel. 48:23.880 --> 48:28.360 You can also edit the blur, like have more blur, less blur. 48:28.360 --> 48:31.560 That's the original data is always there. 48:31.560 --> 48:34.680 So that's yeah, the question, answer for. 48:34.680 --> 48:35.880 Sorry. 48:35.880 --> 48:40.280 And shapes, yeah, that's a part of the, 48:40.280 --> 48:44.280 of the more non-descriptive terms, because of shapes. 48:44.280 --> 48:46.280 Now we need vector layers, basically. 48:46.280 --> 48:51.160 Shapes on a raster image, anything doing a square, 48:51.160 --> 48:56.040 or circle, and that's it, and it's pixel, 48:56.040 --> 49:01.320 and you cannot touch it, it's basically kind of crappy. 49:01.320 --> 49:03.800 It's basically when people ask us, 49:03.800 --> 49:05.880 they want to design shapes and everything, 49:05.880 --> 49:07.800 we say, use in-scape. 49:07.800 --> 49:11.480 When we have vector layers, very soon, 49:11.480 --> 49:14.760 because it's already caught for this, which is walking. 49:14.760 --> 49:19.480 So very soon after 3-0-0, we will have also 49:19.480 --> 49:22.920 the ability to walk on a shape tool. 49:22.920 --> 49:25.800 I think you wanted to say something. 49:25.800 --> 49:29.480 I just wanted to also suggest that if you want to work 49:29.480 --> 49:33.880 a lot with shapes and geometric objects, 49:33.880 --> 49:36.600 it might not be the best tool for the drop. 49:36.600 --> 49:38.040 Inkscape is great. 49:38.040 --> 49:39.320 I love inkscape. 49:39.320 --> 49:43.840 And have a look around if there are other tools, 49:43.840 --> 49:48.480 which might be more fitting to your task, actually. 49:48.480 --> 49:50.120 Obviously, shapes are important. 49:50.120 --> 49:54.000 So we will have to look into that, 49:54.000 --> 49:57.040 but it's not the topmost priority for us. 49:57.040 --> 49:58.360 Thank you. 49:58.360 --> 50:01.720 I got one final thing there. 50:01.720 --> 50:05.600 We got outlines for a text now. 50:05.600 --> 50:09.680 And so you can do all the memes you want with GIMP, finally. 50:12.240 --> 50:13.480 OK, that's it. 50:13.480 --> 50:16.160 I'm from Freight, so let's bring this speaker again. 50:16.160 --> 50:17.000 Good luck.