WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.000 Perfect. 00:05.000 --> 00:10.000 Good morning, guys. 00:10.000 --> 00:14.000 Maybe just before we immediately saw many cameras. 00:14.000 --> 00:18.000 Maybe before we will start talking about how we work together, 00:18.000 --> 00:21.000 we will briefly explain what we are working on. 00:21.000 --> 00:24.000 My name is Alexander, this is Samuel. 00:24.000 --> 00:31.000 And we have two big products which we are shipping in so far just two nations. 00:31.000 --> 00:39.000 One of them is Open Desk. Open Desk is a bundle of different productivity apps, 00:39.000 --> 00:43.000 so to say, which we call a server in workspace. 00:43.000 --> 00:48.000 And you can do basically everything from your day-to-day work 00:48.000 --> 00:55.000 up until collaboration and real-time communication as in chat or video conferencing. 00:55.000 --> 00:58.000 And we do it as Sanders. 00:58.000 --> 01:03.000 Sanders is a German state-owned startup, so to say, 01:03.000 --> 01:06.000 Sanders stands for the Center of Digital Sovereignity. 01:06.000 --> 01:13.000 And we will have a teaser in regards to where you can find us later on. 01:14.000 --> 01:21.000 On the French side, we started with another way around with last suite. 01:21.000 --> 01:27.000 We had since the COVID, we had some standalone applications for one for video conferencing, 01:27.000 --> 01:34.000 one for instant messaging and one for collaboration online, 01:34.000 --> 01:36.000 but there are separate applications. 01:36.000 --> 01:42.000 And so we, to make it a suite, we worked on SSO. 01:42.000 --> 01:47.000 Because Francis is more centralized state, so we have a central SSO. 01:47.000 --> 01:54.000 And we start with this application that has been starting now to make them interoperable 01:54.000 --> 01:56.000 and try to make a suite from this. 01:56.000 --> 01:58.000 So these are two different approaches. 01:58.000 --> 02:04.000 And although we have different approaches, we are starting to see how we can work together. 02:04.000 --> 02:11.000 That's the magic of open source that we can iteratively find common grounds. 02:12.000 --> 02:19.000 Earlier last year, there was the idea that France and Germany should work together. 02:19.000 --> 02:25.000 And it was a process, I think it was two years in making of a three-page document, 02:25.000 --> 02:31.000 such a memorandum of understanding where two states would share common efforts. 02:31.000 --> 02:35.000 And once it was signed for the French and also for the German team, 02:35.000 --> 02:38.000 we said that we should make results faster. 02:38.000 --> 02:46.000 That's the power of your computer. 02:46.000 --> 02:53.000 And we said that we should create results faster and an unbeerocratic manner. 02:53.000 --> 03:04.000 And the idea that we worked on is, how can we work together as two separate teams without any joint? 03:05.000 --> 03:07.000 That's really cool to see all of that. 03:07.000 --> 03:08.000 I'm sorry. 03:14.000 --> 03:17.000 There's an open source alternative to the source. 03:23.000 --> 03:25.000 We'll provide a team. 03:25.000 --> 03:29.000 Anyhow, so what we did, it's all good. 03:29.000 --> 03:32.000 We will just skip like that. 03:32.000 --> 03:44.000 So what we did was we figured out the way that both teams as in product and also developers and also some policy people created for themselves challenges, 03:44.000 --> 03:50.000 which we gave in a hundred-day budget each, so to say, to solve and tackle. 03:50.000 --> 03:58.000 And to tell you more about the challenges that we decided on, Samuel is going to briefly explain that. 03:59.000 --> 04:01.000 So we decided on three challenges. 04:01.000 --> 04:06.000 The first challenge was to try to connect our SSLs. 04:06.000 --> 04:11.000 So see if the French side could log in our applications. 04:11.000 --> 04:16.000 Sorry, if the German side could log in to the French application and also the country. 04:16.000 --> 04:19.000 And so this was the first project. 04:19.000 --> 04:22.000 There's not much development, it's more on configuration. 04:22.000 --> 04:25.000 But it's a big impact if we manage to do this. 04:25.000 --> 04:30.000 The second project was to work on our collaboration tool. 04:30.000 --> 04:35.000 We had, we see a lot of people doing shadow IT, going to the notion. 04:35.000 --> 04:43.000 And so we thought we need to have something to this level, to be able to do documentation and real-time collaboration. 04:43.000 --> 04:46.000 So we started working on this kind of tool together. 04:46.000 --> 04:51.000 And the third challenge was, are we able to put some AI in one of our products? 04:52.000 --> 04:53.000 Okay, a big objective. 04:53.000 --> 04:55.000 So nowadays people want to finance AI. 04:55.000 --> 04:57.000 I want to see what Europe is able to do. 04:57.000 --> 05:04.000 So we said, as very pragmatic approach, what are we able to put in our tool in a few days of work? 05:04.000 --> 05:07.000 So that's the three challenges we gave ourselves. 05:07.000 --> 05:10.000 And we had quite some success with these challenges. 05:10.000 --> 05:12.000 They went from September to December. 05:12.000 --> 05:17.000 And in December we had a big show in Berlin where we showed what we have done. 05:17.000 --> 05:26.000 It's basically, I think it's always interesting to see if two governments work together. 05:26.000 --> 05:30.000 It's always either you have state dinners or something like that. 05:30.000 --> 05:32.000 Or it's completely informal. 05:32.000 --> 05:44.000 And we really liked the fact that we created some sort of a joint team where people shared across language barriers across just also state barriers. 05:44.000 --> 05:53.000 So to say, common tasks, we had hackathons where both teams met either in Germany or in France. 05:53.000 --> 05:56.000 We always, and that was, I think, also really important. 05:56.000 --> 05:59.000 We shared results with other countries as well. 05:59.000 --> 06:06.000 So we had a hackathon with, I think, eight other countries in September in Paris. 06:06.000 --> 06:11.000 Then we had a final event also with representatives also from the commission. 06:11.000 --> 06:15.000 And also from other countries back in December, we provided food. 06:15.000 --> 06:18.000 It's not only 24-7 work, but we also provided food. 06:18.000 --> 06:29.000 It's always important to all the developers and the different tasks and the different challenges were conducted in a very different manner. 06:29.000 --> 06:35.000 And it's really interesting to see culture also within governments, which are sometimes different, work together actually. 06:35.000 --> 06:50.000 But we had one team, which, up until now, sometimes, it's now it's sometimes daily, but they had just daily stand-ups where there was no real, I don't know, there was no task that they would have to tackle in such a manner. 06:50.000 --> 07:04.000 So to say, but we created an environment where basically all the developers could figure out a way how they can work best to provide this results and come up to that idea. 07:04.000 --> 07:08.000 And I think it's really important on that note. 07:08.000 --> 07:16.000 Also to say, thank you, thank you to the developers who worked with us and are still working and are maybe in the stream or are going to see it somewhere. 07:16.000 --> 07:31.000 But also thanks to the CIOs of France and Germany that we could start something like that because it's nothing out of the ordinary, so to say that two states can work on a really easy manner in that regard. 07:31.000 --> 07:44.000 And what we noticed is that it's something that not only sovereignty doesn't stop at the German or the French or the German French border, but it's European or a joint effort. 07:44.000 --> 07:56.000 And in December, we had not only the results of the 100-day challenges, but we also added up a new partner to that project with the Netherlands. 07:56.000 --> 08:08.000 And I think the Dutch team already was involved somehow in advance as well because it's a topic which is, I think, also dear to their heart. 08:08.000 --> 08:21.000 And we see that you don't always need to have documents, I don't know, with the light, maybe you can't see it, but they all have folders and it was a, it was really easy to get the results of the 100-day challenges. 08:21.000 --> 08:28.000 But for example, deciding on what kind of paper, because each state has a separate paper for international documents. 08:28.000 --> 08:34.000 And if you try lateral document is being signed, what kind of paper is going to be used for that. 08:34.000 --> 08:43.000 These were topics which were much more important, so to say, to figure out rather than the results and maybe Boris. 08:44.000 --> 08:55.000 So we have a new partner in this endeavor, so to say, and we are going to, I think, announce soon what the next challenges are going to be. 08:55.000 --> 09:06.000 And maybe Boris, you can explain, maybe, the motivation, but also what you guys expect from such a cooperation with us. 09:06.000 --> 09:11.000 It's completely spontaneous, that's what it's supposed to be. 09:11.000 --> 09:16.000 Yeah, because we joined the project away after the first talk deadline. 09:16.000 --> 09:18.000 So here I am. 09:18.000 --> 09:24.000 Now, we were looking into the problems that come with technological sovereignty and so on. 09:24.000 --> 09:32.000 And we were really trying to find, like, how can we have office tools that fit our civil servants better than the tools that they're using now? 09:32.000 --> 09:38.000 And of course, it was very logical for us to think about, like, okay, how are others doing it? 09:38.000 --> 09:45.000 And really seeing this collaboration between the two of you is also already really fruitful and very useful. 09:45.000 --> 09:57.000 So when we started that project, we really thought, like, let's take as a base assumption that we are going to first try all of the things that you are doing before we're going to invent our own. 09:57.000 --> 10:02.000 We're fully knowing that at some point we're going to need to do our own things, because we are very different countries. 10:02.000 --> 10:08.000 We are organized differently, and we need to find out how to match this software to our own workings. 10:08.000 --> 10:26.000 And what I really hope and what we're really looking for is that in the longer term, we can build the common infrastructures on our public administrations together in a way that will allow us to express those particularities of ourselves. 10:26.000 --> 10:34.000 And as well as we can, and I think open source, and the, the fault of collaboration is really the way to do that. 10:34.000 --> 10:37.000 So we're very happy to be, to be a part of this. 10:37.000 --> 10:38.000 Cool. 10:38.000 --> 10:39.000 Thank you. 10:39.000 --> 10:40.000 Do you want to? 10:40.000 --> 10:53.000 Yeah, maybe just saying that, yeah, we have different approaches, and we need to have our, we need to answer the needs of our public agents, our political leaders. 10:53.000 --> 10:57.000 So important is we share what we do. 10:57.000 --> 11:03.000 If we are committed to open source and whatever we do, we share it, and when we find common grounds, we work together. 11:03.000 --> 11:14.000 And we will produce maybe some time different things, sometimes things in common, and in the end we, we create a great common for Europe, and we hope more countries can join this. 11:14.000 --> 11:15.000 Yeah. 11:15.000 --> 11:24.000 And if you want to know more about what we are doing, we have our own deaf room in the afternoon, which is right across the whole. 11:24.000 --> 11:31.000 If you want to know more about last week and open desk, we have obviously we have websites, and also chat to us. 11:31.000 --> 11:36.000 Also, there are many people from, from the product teams from last week and open desk. 11:36.000 --> 11:41.000 All of them are going to be in this room today in the afternoon. 11:41.000 --> 11:43.000 And we will demo one of the second. 11:43.000 --> 11:46.000 Yeah, we will demo the second, yeah, we will demo the second challenge. 11:46.000 --> 11:51.000 And if you want to talk to us, you can use the third challenge, which is the video conferencing solution. 11:51.000 --> 11:56.000 Yeah. So, feel free. Thank you guys. We are on time. 11:56.000 --> 11:57.000 Yeah. Thank you. 11:57.000 --> 11:58.000 Yeah. 11:58.000 --> 12:09.000 So, we all do things very differently, but I would recommend Belgium to join. 12:09.000 --> 12:14.000 Because we already have the colors of the flag in some of the software. 12:14.000 --> 12:21.000 And for us, it was really easy because we could just turn all the friends software at 90 degrees, and then it would look very Dutch.