WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.000 So, good afternoon. 00:09.000 --> 00:10.000 Thank you. 00:10.000 --> 00:13.000 I will quickly try and introduce you. 00:13.000 --> 00:19.000 This is open source software for all what can policy makers do to increase the uptake of open source software in the EU. 00:19.000 --> 00:27.000 And that will perfectly also lead us over into the panel discussion that's happening right after with all the speakers that still are present and 00:28.000 --> 00:30.000 Thank you very much. 00:30.000 --> 00:31.000 Well, thank you. 00:31.000 --> 00:32.000 Thank you very much. 00:32.000 --> 00:34.000 It's good to be here again. 00:34.000 --> 00:37.000 First of all, I was here for quite some time. 00:37.000 --> 00:41.000 I think the first time was with Ben Russell. 00:41.000 --> 00:44.000 I don't think anyone here knows Ben. 00:44.000 --> 00:45.000 Ben Russell. 00:45.000 --> 00:47.000 He was the author of Headmap. 00:47.000 --> 00:50.000 And I all urge you to have a look at Headmap. 00:50.000 --> 00:54.000 He wrote it in 1989, 1999. 00:54.000 --> 00:59.000 It was the first text that really tried to capture the space in which we're in now. 00:59.000 --> 01:05.000 This ambient, hybrid space of digital, virtual, analog connectivity. 01:05.000 --> 01:11.000 And afterwards, he liked Basian Adder, but Basian Adder got lost at sea. 01:11.000 --> 01:13.000 Ben got lost somewhere. 01:13.000 --> 01:15.000 So, nobody knows where he is. 01:15.000 --> 01:18.000 The last thing we heard was that he was an Indonesian beach. 01:18.000 --> 01:21.000 But there was a long time ago trying to sell sandals. 01:21.000 --> 01:27.000 But I think he saw this whole space coming and decided not to be part of it. 01:27.000 --> 01:34.000 But then again, I all urge you to Google or take any other go headmap. 01:34.000 --> 01:36.000 And you get a text. 01:36.000 --> 01:40.000 It's extremely important for that time. 01:40.000 --> 01:48.000 So just briefly, at this moment, I recently joined Martell. 01:48.000 --> 01:53.000 Martell Innovate, a senior policy and communication specialist. 01:53.000 --> 01:59.000 And for one of the heads that I wear today is for project called NGI Commons. 01:59.000 --> 02:16.000 Martell is very present in a space of open source with smart city platforms like Orchestra with projects like NGI for all. 02:16.000 --> 02:18.000 And next is Forum. 02:18.000 --> 02:30.000 And so basically, we're trying to contribute to the field of open source from both tech policy and communication. 02:30.000 --> 02:33.000 As we heard today, as we are all here, I think it's not. 02:33.000 --> 02:35.000 We don't have to sell open source anymore. 02:35.000 --> 02:37.000 That's not the point. 02:37.000 --> 02:42.000 The point is now, how can we embed the new spaces that are going to come. 02:42.000 --> 02:50.000 The 5G 60 AI native spaces where we basically all want to be. 02:50.000 --> 02:52.000 But today, we talk about NGI Commons. 02:52.000 --> 02:56.000 I want specific factor in that and that's policy. 02:56.000 --> 02:58.000 And we're trying to deliver. 02:58.000 --> 03:08.000 And also you heard this morning, maybe young fewer and negates that we wrote a strong big report on this. 03:08.000 --> 03:09.000 But we also want to get your input. 03:09.000 --> 03:11.000 And we would like to get your input now. 03:11.000 --> 03:13.000 So Francesco has a way to do it. 03:13.000 --> 03:19.000 And he's going to try to get your input in the next 10 minutes on two questions. 03:19.000 --> 03:23.000 And we got exactly 10 minutes left, fantastic. 03:23.000 --> 03:25.000 So there you go, fantastic. 03:25.000 --> 03:26.000 Thank you very much Robert. 03:26.000 --> 03:28.000 Robert said, I know how to do it. 03:28.000 --> 03:30.000 Well, hopefully that's that's really optimistic. 03:30.000 --> 03:36.000 So I hope this is going to be interesting for you as much as we think it will be for us. 03:37.000 --> 03:38.000 Speak up. 03:38.000 --> 03:40.000 Sure. 03:40.000 --> 03:41.000 Yeah, yeah. 03:41.000 --> 03:42.000 I will. 03:42.000 --> 03:43.000 Thanks. 03:43.000 --> 03:45.000 So we have a task. 03:45.000 --> 03:46.000 We have a challenge. 03:46.000 --> 03:47.000 Easy one. 03:47.000 --> 03:53.000 As you can see, we are going to solve the problem of adoption of open source software in ten minutes. 03:53.000 --> 03:55.000 Sounds realistic now. 03:55.000 --> 03:58.000 And we're going to do it. 03:58.000 --> 04:00.000 Well, here you can choose. 04:00.000 --> 04:03.000 Ideally, you can talk to the person sitting besides you. 04:03.000 --> 04:07.000 But if you prefer to do it on your own, find with us. 04:07.000 --> 04:11.000 So you can point this QR code. 04:11.000 --> 04:13.000 It's on participate. 04:13.000 --> 04:14.000 It's German based. 04:14.000 --> 04:18.000 And as a good privacy policy. 04:18.000 --> 04:24.000 So I'll let you have a minute to scan the QR. 04:24.000 --> 04:27.000 And then I'll get you through the questions. 04:27.000 --> 04:29.000 Let's see when. 04:34.000 --> 04:36.000 Great. 04:36.000 --> 04:37.000 Okay. 04:37.000 --> 04:41.000 So I see phones are down now mostly. 04:41.000 --> 04:45.000 So I'll switch to the main act. 04:45.000 --> 04:47.000 Oh, sorry. 04:47.000 --> 04:49.000 Yeah. 04:49.000 --> 04:50.000 It's also. 04:50.000 --> 04:52.000 I uploaded the slides. 04:52.000 --> 04:54.000 So. 04:54.000 --> 04:55.000 Right. 04:55.000 --> 04:57.000 So now you have. 04:57.000 --> 05:01.000 Yeah, five minutes to discuss among each other. 05:01.000 --> 05:07.000 The first question, which is, what is the main barrier to open source user adoption? 05:07.000 --> 05:11.000 So we're talking specifically about software. 05:11.000 --> 05:12.000 Just one answer. 05:12.000 --> 05:16.000 As simple as possible, we're trying just to get the filling of the room, 05:16.000 --> 05:18.000 the temperature on the room on that. 05:18.000 --> 05:19.000 So. 05:19.000 --> 05:21.000 I think you have a day of discussing it with your neighbor. 05:21.000 --> 05:22.000 Was it good idea? 05:22.000 --> 05:23.000 Yeah. 05:23.000 --> 05:24.000 Yeah. 05:24.000 --> 05:25.000 So go ahead. 05:25.000 --> 05:26.000 Yeah. 05:26.000 --> 05:27.000 Discuss. 05:27.000 --> 05:30.000 Can you repeat the question? 05:31.000 --> 05:32.000 Can you repeat the question? 05:32.000 --> 05:34.000 Which question? 05:34.000 --> 05:35.000 Oh, sorry. 05:35.000 --> 05:36.000 Yes. 05:36.000 --> 05:40.000 What is the main barrier to open source user adoption? 05:40.000 --> 05:43.000 Okay. 05:43.000 --> 05:44.000 Okay. 05:44.000 --> 05:45.000 Interesting input. 05:45.000 --> 05:49.000 So knowledge of its existence and availability makes sense. 05:49.000 --> 05:51.000 Separate force purchase of software. 05:51.000 --> 05:52.000 Yeah. 05:52.000 --> 05:54.000 Interoperability. 05:54.000 --> 05:55.000 Wow. 05:55.000 --> 05:59.000 I'll try to scroll down so we can all see what happens here. 05:59.000 --> 06:02.000 Training and education, right point. 06:02.000 --> 06:04.000 Marketing awareness. 06:04.000 --> 06:05.000 Of course. 06:05.000 --> 06:07.000 Of course. 06:07.000 --> 06:10.000 Not all open source software is for end users. 06:10.000 --> 06:11.000 That is very true. 06:11.000 --> 06:14.000 Here we're trying to focus on the end users in this case. 06:14.000 --> 06:16.000 But that's an excellent point. 06:16.000 --> 06:18.000 User locking. 06:18.000 --> 06:20.000 By big tech companies. 06:20.000 --> 06:24.000 You're not being introduced to OSS products. 06:24.000 --> 06:26.000 Fantastic. 06:26.000 --> 06:27.000 And marketing. 06:27.000 --> 06:30.000 We have somebody who wrote it twice. 06:30.000 --> 06:32.000 Okay. 06:32.000 --> 06:33.000 Let's see. 06:33.000 --> 06:34.000 24. 06:34.000 --> 06:38.000 Print styles software. 06:38.000 --> 06:39.000 Yeah. 06:39.000 --> 06:40.000 Yeah. 06:40.000 --> 06:45.000 And less streamlined accessibility for OSS solutions. 06:45.000 --> 06:46.000 Absolutely. 06:46.000 --> 06:51.000 So I think we're slowing down with the answers. 06:51.000 --> 06:58.000 The lack of interoperability of main proprietary application solutions. 06:58.000 --> 06:59.000 Okay. 06:59.000 --> 07:00.000 Fantastic. 07:00.000 --> 07:03.000 And protection is which is. 07:03.000 --> 07:04.000 Yeah. 07:04.000 --> 07:05.000 Okay. 07:05.000 --> 07:07.000 So we have 26 answers. 07:07.000 --> 07:09.000 Thank you for this. 07:09.000 --> 07:10.000 Now. 07:10.000 --> 07:13.000 Not to be conscious of time. 07:13.000 --> 07:15.000 Now we're going to solve this problem. 07:15.000 --> 07:18.000 So again in the same with the same person. 07:18.000 --> 07:19.000 We discussed. 07:19.000 --> 07:22.000 We find a solution to the issue that you posed. 07:22.000 --> 07:24.000 So how would you solve this? 07:24.000 --> 07:27.000 Again, you should see your mobiles switching to the new question. 07:27.000 --> 07:32.000 One action to remove or reduce the barriers you identified. 07:32.000 --> 07:33.000 Just one action. 07:33.000 --> 07:39.000 Let's take some pictures of people talking. 07:39.000 --> 07:46.000 I can also know because we need a concept. 07:46.000 --> 07:47.000 Money. 07:48.000 --> 07:50.000 Public sector adoption and promotion. 07:50.000 --> 07:51.000 Yes. 07:51.000 --> 07:55.000 This was also in a talk a few days ago. 07:55.000 --> 07:56.000 Collaboration. 07:56.000 --> 07:57.000 Great. 08:01.000 --> 08:02.000 Okay. 08:02.000 --> 08:05.000 I think we have a bit more than five minutes over awful. 08:05.000 --> 08:08.000 Discuss more because it's more complicated. 08:08.000 --> 08:12.000 We know we cannot save Europe in five minutes. 08:12.000 --> 08:15.000 But it's about time. 08:15.000 --> 08:18.000 It's really, really all about time. 08:18.000 --> 08:20.000 So we have earlier adoption in schools. 08:20.000 --> 08:21.000 Fantastic. 08:21.000 --> 08:23.000 And that's the second touching upon the. 08:23.000 --> 08:26.000 Also the public sector adoption. 08:26.000 --> 08:27.000 Um. 08:27.000 --> 08:32.000 APS that areization. 08:32.000 --> 08:33.000 Yeah. 08:33.000 --> 08:35.000 We have a lot of of. 08:35.000 --> 08:40.000 References to public sector government entities to actually use. 08:40.000 --> 08:43.000 Open source in their operations. 08:43.000 --> 08:45.000 Again, universities. 08:45.000 --> 08:47.000 Digital market sucked. 08:47.000 --> 08:50.000 The MA supposed to start. 08:50.000 --> 08:55.000 Walk the talk, which I can imagine is is touching upon the same. 08:55.000 --> 08:58.000 The same point. 08:58.000 --> 09:03.000 Implication of other people than developers and collaboration. 09:03.000 --> 09:06.000 Absolutely. 09:07.000 --> 09:10.000 Okay. 09:10.000 --> 09:11.000 Twenty nine answers. 09:11.000 --> 09:12.000 Wow, even more participation. 09:12.000 --> 09:13.000 Thank you. 09:13.000 --> 09:14.000 Thank you very much. 09:14.000 --> 09:17.000 League of bodies shared among users. 09:17.000 --> 09:20.000 And I am a producer. 09:20.000 --> 09:21.000 Okay. 09:21.000 --> 09:23.000 And demand open interoperability. 09:23.000 --> 09:25.000 So yes. 09:25.000 --> 09:28.000 Make open source software less ugly. 09:28.000 --> 09:29.000 Well, depends come on. 09:29.000 --> 09:33.000 It's also beautiful open source software out there. 09:34.000 --> 09:35.000 Okay. 09:35.000 --> 09:37.000 So. 09:37.000 --> 09:39.000 I think. 09:39.000 --> 09:41.000 We have a quite a bit of participation. 09:41.000 --> 09:42.000 Maybe we can. 09:42.000 --> 09:45.000 If somebody wants to just launch one comment. 09:45.000 --> 09:48.000 We can we can open the floor if somebody wants to. 09:48.000 --> 09:49.000 Yes. 09:49.000 --> 09:50.000 Go ahead. 09:50.000 --> 09:51.000 Awareness. 09:51.000 --> 09:52.000 Awareness. 09:52.000 --> 09:53.000 Awareness. 09:53.000 --> 09:54.000 Yes. 09:54.000 --> 09:55.000 Level zero. 09:55.000 --> 09:56.000 Level zero. 09:56.000 --> 09:59.000 Use open source because they don't know open source. 09:59.000 --> 10:00.000 Yeah. 10:00.000 --> 10:03.000 I mean, connection with lots of active community. 10:03.000 --> 10:04.000 Wait. 10:04.000 --> 10:08.000 Let's do like that. 10:08.000 --> 10:09.000 So I'm from Portugal. 10:09.000 --> 10:12.000 And I'm in contact with lots of activists. 10:12.000 --> 10:14.000 Communities. 10:14.000 --> 10:18.000 So people that are fighting against domination from big corporations. 10:18.000 --> 10:23.000 And the first thing I tell them, which they are completely oblivious is. 10:23.000 --> 10:25.000 But there is a community. 10:25.000 --> 10:30.000 Operation things that you can already use, which is open source. 10:30.000 --> 10:35.000 And so this first level is the most important thing that we must do. 10:35.000 --> 10:38.000 And the second level, which is the second question is. 10:38.000 --> 10:42.000 Have workshops where they can start and using it. 10:42.000 --> 10:43.000 At least they know. 10:43.000 --> 10:45.000 They might not like it. 10:45.000 --> 10:47.000 They might miss features. 10:47.000 --> 10:50.000 But at least they know there is an alternative. 10:50.000 --> 10:52.000 And once you have those two steps. 10:52.000 --> 10:54.000 Anything can be built upon. 10:54.000 --> 11:00.000 But these first two levels are extremely important. 11:00.000 --> 11:05.000 So right now, for Portugal, we are on ground level zero. 11:05.000 --> 11:11.000 So awareness is the place where I'm, but I'm in right now. 11:11.000 --> 11:12.000 Thank you. 11:12.000 --> 11:15.000 Thank you very much for your input on this. 11:15.000 --> 11:16.000 Yes. 11:16.000 --> 11:17.000 Let me see. 11:17.000 --> 11:18.000 How can I reach you? 11:18.000 --> 11:19.000 Maybe here? 11:19.000 --> 11:20.000 Yes. 11:20.000 --> 11:27.000 I think the word ecosystem is really important at kind of all levels. 11:27.000 --> 11:30.000 For example, if you're an enterprise, right? 11:30.000 --> 11:34.000 You don't buy a concrete truck and a backhoe. 11:34.000 --> 11:38.000 If you want an office, you go and rent an office from somebody. 11:38.000 --> 11:43.000 And that office has a conditioning that works in security, doors and so forth, right? 11:43.000 --> 11:47.000 And an open source software, you're being offered like little bits and pieces. 11:47.000 --> 11:50.000 But nobody's going to put it together for you. 11:50.000 --> 11:51.000 Okay? 11:51.000 --> 11:54.000 Or you just put it together, Mr. Large Enterprise, right? 11:54.000 --> 11:55.000 That's never going to happen. 11:55.000 --> 12:00.000 You're job unless you're a software company, which is not the vast majority of companies. 12:00.000 --> 12:04.000 Your job is to make shoes or widgets or whatever you're doing, right? 12:04.000 --> 12:08.000 So you want a pre-baked solution and you want 24-7 support for it. 12:08.000 --> 12:11.000 And you're used to running it through your procurement department, right? 12:11.000 --> 12:13.000 And then you have one small engineer. 12:13.000 --> 12:15.000 I'm going to get this thing off so I can breathe. 12:15.000 --> 12:18.000 You have one small engineer that comes along and says, hey, what about this open source thing? 12:18.000 --> 12:19.000 The cost is really, really low. 12:19.000 --> 12:21.000 And they go, okay, it's going to support that. 12:21.000 --> 12:22.000 Right? 12:22.000 --> 12:27.000 Well, there are a few open source software companies out there trying to support these things. 12:27.000 --> 12:30.000 But it's hard being a startup in Europe. 12:30.000 --> 12:36.000 Having done it both in the US and Europe, I can tell you that I spend more time 12:36.000 --> 12:41.000 doing administrative stuff as a contractor than I do helping my clients. 12:41.000 --> 12:42.000 Okay? 12:42.000 --> 12:43.000 Or as much time. 12:43.000 --> 12:45.000 It's about 50-50. 12:45.000 --> 12:47.000 And that's just not the case in the States. 12:47.000 --> 12:49.000 My accountant takes care of it all. 12:49.000 --> 12:51.000 I file one tax thing for the year done. 12:51.000 --> 12:55.000 And there are so many tax incentives for startups and all of that stuff. 12:55.000 --> 12:59.000 And various governments here have kind of performative things to that. 12:59.000 --> 13:01.000 But we're just not there yet in Europe. 13:01.000 --> 13:05.000 The idea that there is an exception for small business entrepreneurs. 13:05.000 --> 13:08.000 Again, whether it's in software or anything else. 13:08.000 --> 13:09.000 Right? 13:09.000 --> 13:11.000 It's just not a thing in most European governments. 13:11.000 --> 13:13.000 Some of them are getting it. 13:13.000 --> 13:14.000 Some of them are getting it. 13:14.000 --> 13:16.000 But not in the largest European countries. 13:20.000 --> 13:21.000 Yes, I see your point. 13:21.000 --> 13:24.000 And it says this cost a lot in these days in these rooms. 13:24.000 --> 13:26.000 So thanks so much. 13:26.000 --> 13:29.000 I think that our time is up, right? 13:29.000 --> 13:30.000 Yes. 13:30.000 --> 13:31.000 A bit. 13:31.000 --> 13:32.000 Okay. 13:32.000 --> 13:34.000 So thank you very much for your participation. 13:34.000 --> 13:35.000 And yeah, thank you. 13:35.000 --> 13:36.000 Take care. 13:36.000 --> 13:42.000 Thank you for fiscal sorry for the marathon.